Your sarcasm would be, well, effective, if I weren't correct about there being 
no way to use it.   No other WISP is going to be able to do what I can't do, 
either, Jack.  

In my town, there is ONE UHF channel.   6 mhz.   That's it.  In the mountains, 
where we need it due to forest, it can't be done.    Get yourself a copy of 
Radio Mobile and check your HAAT, RM uses the FCC's requirement as its 
defaults.  

There's ONE VHF-HI channel.    Two VHF-LO channels.   And, as mentioned, the 
VHF low is so susceptible to noise I doubt anyone will even try to make 
anything work there.   One flourescent light on and your internet goes dead...

So, while this is fantastic in theory,  in reality, this spectrum will not be 
useable to signficant level, by many WISP's.  If you use the tools you have and 
start inspecting your sites, you'll find that there's a lot more use of TV 
space than you knew.    And, some places are amazingly open.   

However, some of the rural guys will find lots of space.   I hope, anyway.  

Gresham, OR,  - 2 channels
Portland, OR,  - 2 channels

Spokane, WA,  12 channels - but a good chunk won't work due to HAAT limitations.
Libby, MT, 37 channels
Moro, or, 36 channels ( population, 400?)
Tacoma, WA, 12 channels
yakima, WA , 14
Lawrence, KS.  12

The majority of examples above include at least half the channels in VHF.   As 
I noted before, there ARE obstacles to overcome in using VHF, especially 
VHF-lo.   Even VHF-hi could prove to be seriously susceptible to interference.  
  Also,  the VHF and and sometimes even UHF frequencies are subject to 
interference by "skip", which will cause cyclical interference issues, by 
broadcasters far, far away.   We'll find out when either makers trials leak 
results,  or when people start trying.  

These are some of the technical issues that will become part of our vocabulary 
as we try to move into this.   Has anyone here seen any trials done in the VHF 
frequencies?   

I did some propagation examples in my town, using RM and UHF, and it appears 
we're going to be limited to around 1.5 miles max distance, unless you can get 
your antenna near max height, both AP and client due the fact the fresnel zone 
is HUGE!   

I didn't dry the VHF bands, as I couldn't find quickly find any antenna specs 
published for the frequencies.  



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From: Jack Unger 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:53 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 
2010


Hello Mark,

Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the 
available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for 
another WISP to use. 

Thank you again and best regards, 

jack



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