Rich,

You might want to take a look at the white paper that I recently produced for WISPA that highlights how WISPs are successful. You can find it here: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252 One of the things that makes WISPs successful is the use of fixed wireless, meaning the installation of high-gain antennas at the customer location. This enables faster speeds and much higher reliability than dongle type installations. The self-install business models look good on paper, but do not scale up well enough in the real world and that generally ruins the business model. It doesn't really matter whether you use licensed spectrum or not. Fixed wireless has many advantages over mobile broadband and the "dongles" and those advantages are going to become even more apparent as Internet utilization continues to increase and the mobile networks get more and more overloaded.

I would strongly encourage anyone on the list who hasn't read this paper yet to take 15 minutes and go through it. I am directing people who are unfamiliar with WISPs to read this first and they come back with a much better understanding of what we do and how valuable it is to our communities.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 11/28/2011 6:24 PM, Rich _ wrote:
The answer to my last question was obvious from the posts so far.
I should have asked if there are licensed frequencies that I can still purchase and if so how much do the range in cost?

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed
    frequency which they pay a premium for.

    On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote:
    What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a
    connection using one of those 1"x3" USB things?


    On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman
    <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        None that I know of.  Those are the companies like Clear and
        OpenRange.  That model doesn't seem to financially or
        operationally/technically work.

        Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical
        space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the
        customer roof.  From the CPE side, a lot like satellite.  Low
        profile but it is there.

        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
        Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373

        On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, "Rich _" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are
            they using something other than a WISP?


            On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Rich,
                Given current gear, FCC regulations and available
                spectrum, outside of
                reselling cellular you are not going to going to find
                anything you will
                be able to reliable allow the customer to
                self-install.  Trust me, there
                are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to
                figure that one out
                since this industry started.

                As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest
                business model to
                what you are looking for, and even with their deep
                pockets and licensed
                spectrum they are having a tough time making it work.
                 And I think it is
                precisely because they are choosing to go the route
                that you are looking
                for.

                If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it
                as traditional,
                professionally installed fixed wireless setup they
                would probably have a
                working business model.  Sure their return on
                investment would be higher
                due to the installer cost, but if they took a
                dish-network model to
                getting installs done they would only be looking at
                3-6 months break
                even on the install cost and considering the amount
                of money that has
                already been poured into the business I would think
                that would be a drop
                in the bucket.

                Rich _ wrote:
                > Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA.
                >
                > But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on
                where I'm located.
                > I'm interested in finding a location that best
                enables success for the
                > business.
                >
                > Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding
                person. A technical
                > partner or technical contractor/employee would be
                needed. I hope
                > available equipment is quite stable and reliable?
                >
                > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                > <mailto:[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
                >
                >     Hi Rich,
                >     WISPA General List is actually a Global List.
                >     It would go a long ways for relevant folks to
                reply back to you if
                >     you at least share what part of the world ? /
                State or City if in
                >     the US.
                >
                >     My personal reaction after reading the first
                two paragraphs was to
                >     suggest that you should consider some other
                business other than
                >     being a WISP.
                >
                >     However after reading the last two paragraphs,
                it sounds like you
                >     may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for
                a Technical Partner
                >     to build a business together.
                >
                >     The only reason I am saying this is because
                this is a tough
                >     business to be in if you are not going to roll
                up your sleeves and
                >     get your hands dirty.
                >
                >
                >     Regards and Good Luck.
                >
                >
                >     Faisal Imtiaz
                >     Snappy Internet & Telecom
                >     7266 SW 48 Street
                >     Miami, Fl 33155
                >     Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
                <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
                <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
                >     Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 <tel:305%20663%205518>
                <tel:305%20663%205518> option 2 Email:
                [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                <mailto:[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                >
                >
                >     On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote:
                >>     Hello,
                >>
                >>     I operate in the custom software development
                industry and am
                >>     considering setting up a WISP as a new
                business investment. I
                >>     know very little about the industry and am
                hoping that some of
                >>     you will not mind giving me some feedback. In
                exchange, I'll be
                >>     glad to answer any software development
                questions you may have
                >>     that I can answer or that I can get an answer for.
                >>
                >>     I'm a business person. I'm not interested in
                learning the
                >>     low-level details about wireless hardware or
                protocals above and
                >>     beyond what I need to run the business. I have
                no desire to ever
                >>     install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself.
                >>
                >>     What I want to do is own the service and run
                the business. My
                >>     first thoughts are I want a setup that makes
                it easiest for the
                >>     customer to start using the service. If there
                is a particular
                >>     hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle
                (small device that
                >>     would plug into a USB port) to the customer
                and viola they're up
                >>     and running, great! Also, I am wondering if
                operating in a
                >>     licensed spectrum will provide me with some
                protection from
                >>     frequency overload.
                >>
                >>     I am interested in finding people who may be
                able to help me
                >>     analyze a territory for potential
                profitability and engineer a
                >>     setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list
                rules, feel free to
                >>     respond with your contact information so that
                I can contact you
                >>     to find out what it would cost for your services.
                >>
                >>     I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick
                with high-level
                >>     information so that I can quickly determine if
                this is a good
                >>     opportunity for me.
                >>
                >>
                >>     Thanks,
                >>
                >>     Rich
                >>
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