I just took over an abandoned network which I have to get up and running in no
time. There's a Juniper J2300, ISG 1000 and some foundry switches. Wondering
whether to trash the equipment and put in an MT RB1100 in? We won't have more
than 200 users at the peak. Need suggestions.
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Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
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4. Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!) (Ben West)
5. Re: Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!)
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6. Re: Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!) (Ben West)
7. Re: If radios act weird today... (Tom DeReggi)
8. Re: Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!) (Ben West)
9. Re: Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:21:17 -0600
From: "~V~" <li...@stlbroadband.com>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] If radios act weird today...
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I am wearing it! ;-)
And doesn't it have to be made of tin foil? :p
~V~
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:45 AM
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Oh man...where is my aluminum foil hat!!!
On 01/24/2012 09:57 AM, ~V~ wrote:
> Check out the incoming particles this bad boy is bringing.
> http://youtu.be/01SEGNfK_58
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> Same. It could eventually happen, but I haven't seen any consequence of
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> On 1/24/2012 8:08 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> YAWN. I have yet to see a solar flare cause issues .... not saying it
>> won't... just saying the news media blows this stuff up every time.
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>>
>> Matt Hoppes
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>> On 1/24/12 8:53 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>>> Solar flare blasts radiation storm toward Earth
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:46:50 -0600
From: "Jim Patient" <jpati...@linktechs.net>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] If radios act weird today...
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Crap this is prolly going to cause the New Madrid fault to blow as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHL-9zK8i0Q
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Maybe some of those solar particles could penetrate this continual day
to day snow we're having and recharge my solar sites! :)
Forbes
On 1/24/2012 6:57 AM, ~V~ wrote:
> Check out the incoming particles this bad boy is bringing.
> http://youtu.be/01SEGNfK_58
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> Same. It could eventually happen, but I haven't seen any consequence
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> On 1/24/2012 8:08 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> YAWN. I have yet to see a solar flare cause issues .... not saying
>> it won't... just saying the news media blows this stuff up every
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>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
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>> On 1/24/12 8:53 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>>> Solar flare blasts radiation storm toward Earth
>>>
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> http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57364089-76/solar-flare-blasts-radia
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:48:27 -0600
From: "~V~" <li...@stlbroadband.com>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] If radios act weird today...
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LOL, probably not.
There was a much larger particle storm in 2005 and nothing happened.
But it is radiation and works like a microwave on the core of the earth,
which can cause lava to expand.
Appx. 24 - 48 hrs. prior to the Haiti, New Zealand, Japan, and Chile EQ
there were strong solar storms.
So it does give one something to ponder.
~V~
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:47 PM
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Crap this is prolly going to cause the New Madrid fault to blow as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHL-9zK8i0Q
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Maybe some of those solar particles could penetrate this continual day
to day snow we're having and recharge my solar sites! :)
Forbes
On 1/24/2012 6:57 AM, ~V~ wrote:
> Check out the incoming particles this bad boy is bringing.
> http://youtu.be/01SEGNfK_58
>
> ~V~
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> Same. It could eventually happen, but I haven't seen any consequence
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> On 1/24/2012 8:08 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> YAWN. I have yet to see a solar flare cause issues .... not saying
>> it won't... just saying the news media blows this stuff up every
time.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>
>> On 1/24/12 8:53 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>>> Solar flare blasts radiation storm toward Earth
>>>
>>>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57364089-76/solar-flare-blasts-radia
> tion-s
> torm-toward-earth/
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:16:41 -0600
From: Ben West <b...@gowasabi.net>
Subject: [WISPA] Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!)
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Although I'm guessing very few folks on this list use Engenius EOC-1650
access points, I can relate that my very small experiment sampling product
quality in outdoor Engenius gear from Microcenter has yielded 100% duds.
That is, of the APs purchased in a pinch last month because my usual
supplier was out of stock, all of them, 100% of them, or not 0% of them,
have been returned due to defects discovered.
Both appeared to have transmitter failures, one exhibited maybe 20% or 30%
of the tx power it should have had, and the other appears to have lost its
transmitter entirely.
Thankfully, Microcenter took them both back, probably to be packed back
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:44:30 -0600
From: Sam Tetherow <tethe...@shwisp.net>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!)
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Haven't bought anything from Engenius since the CB3s, we tried some of
their new 802.11g gear when it first came out and found that it had
hardware issues (high failure rate and overheating issues, even
indoors). It failed even faster than HighGain stuff did.
Now the CB3, that was an indistructable radio, I have over a hundred
still deployed after 7 years although they are all due to get replaced
this spring since we didn't get everything replaced last fall.
On 01/24/2012 09:16 PM, Ben West wrote:
> Although I'm guessing very few folks on this list use Engenius
> EOC-1650 access points, I can relate that my very small experiment
> sampling product quality in outdoor Engenius gear from Microcenter has
> yielded 100% duds.
>
> That is, of the APs purchased in a pinch last month because my usual
> supplier was out of stock, all of them, 100% of them, or not 0% of
> them, have been returned due to defects discovered.
>
> Both appeared to have transmitter failures, one exhibited maybe 20% or
> 30% of the tx power it should have had, and the other appears to have
> lost its transmitter entirely.
>
> Thankfully, Microcenter took them both back, probably to be packed
> back into boxes and re-shelved.
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:55:15 -0600
From: Ben West <b...@gowasabi.net>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!)
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I have actually have pretty decent experience specifically with the
EOC-1650s, so far with about 20 deployed and a couple approaching 2years
outdoor operation. Interestingly, the 1650's have proven more reliable
than more Engenius' powerful units like EOC-2610 or EOC-2611P, suggesting
overheats.
I do understand Engenius had (has) substantial quality control problems, if
not just outright product quality deficits, a few years ago. It's no
surprise Engenius markets its products as cheaper clones of UBNT gear.
Still, the 1650's seem to be a very popular unit with my preferred
supplier, as they are sold out from time to time. (Which was what lead me
to Microcenter ...)
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Sam Tetherow <tethe...@shwisp.net> wrote:
> **
> Haven't bought anything from Engenius since the CB3s, we tried some of
> their new 802.11g gear when it first came out and found that it had
> hardware issues (high failure rate and overheating issues, even indoors).
> It failed even faster than HighGain stuff did.
>
> Now the CB3, that was an indistructable radio, I have over a hundred still
> deployed after 7 years although they are all due to get replaced this
> spring since we didn't get everything replaced last fall.
>
>
> On 01/24/2012 09:16 PM, Ben West wrote:
>
> Although I'm guessing very few folks on this list use Engenius EOC-1650
> access points, I can relate that my very small experiment sampling product
> quality in outdoor Engenius gear from Microcenter has yielded 100% duds.
>
> That is, of the APs purchased in a pinch last month because my usual
> supplier was out of stock, all of them, 100% of them, or not 0% of them,
> have been returned due to defects discovered.
>
> Both appeared to have transmitter failures, one exhibited maybe 20% or
> 30% of the tx power it should have had, and the other appears to have lost
> its transmitter entirely.
>
> Thankfully, Microcenter took them both back, probably to be packed back
> into boxes and re-shelved.
>
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> Ben West
> http://gowasabi.net
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:06:51 -0500
From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] If radios act weird today...
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Actually, I've observed RF issues from Solar Flares numerous times in the
past. A common symptom is RSSI dropping up to 10 db temporarilly during the
effected period on some paths.
Can be a problem for links operating on the threshold of acceptable link. It
helps to know when the solar flairs come, just so you know to wait it out,
instead of sending a truck to chase every temporary RSSI drop that day.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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> YAWN. I have yet to see a solar flare cause issues .... not saying it
> won't... just saying the news media blows this stuff up every time.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
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> On 1/24/12 8:53 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> Solar flare blasts radiation storm toward Earth
>>
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57364089-76/solar-flare-blasts-radiation-storm-toward-earth/
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:52:22 -0600
From: Ben West <b...@gowasabi.net>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!)
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Unrelated, I would be curious if anyone has had acceptable experience with
Engenius' Nanostation M clone, the ENH200 and ENH500.
Googling the OpenWRT and DD-WRT forums doesn't suggest anyone has been
playing around with them.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:55:22 -0800
From: Jeromie Reeves <jree...@18-30chat.net>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!)
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I had looked at them but they cost more so did not see a reason to try
them as Ubnt works for me. I have heard of some serious issues with
Ubnt gear from August/October time. I bought gear to last with all the
shortages. Its time to order more and might
give the Engenius gear a closer look.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Ben West <b...@gowasabi.net> wrote:
> Unrelated, I would be curious if anyone has had acceptable experience with
> Engenius' Nanostation M clone, the ENH200 and ENH500.
>
> Googling the OpenWRT and DD-WRT forums doesn't suggest anyone has been
> playing around with them.
>
>
> --
> Ben West
> http://gowasabi.net
> b...@gowasabi.net
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>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:01:53 -0800
From: cj sattler <cjsatt...@hotmail.com>
Subject: [WISPA] Solution for high bandwidth semi-mobile link
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I need to figure out a solution for high bandwidth (160mb/link
unidirectional) link. There will be a total of 6 links originating from
a central point where the remote station will be mobile up to 30
degrees from the originating point up to 6 miles away. Because of the
bandwidth required, i doubt i
could do anything on 5ghz because of the spectrum available. I dont
think there is any licensed frequencies out there that allow for 30
degree sectors.
One solution i was thinking would be licensed point to point to a
pole that is 1000 feet away from the mobile station. From there i've
seen free space optics be able to have tracking on them. I'm not sure
if itll do 30 degrees though.
Does anyone have any ideas or equipment that might work?
thanks
cj
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:06:01 +0000
From: Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solution for high bandwidth semi-mobile link
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Ptp link to the nearest point as you stated, them a PTP600 link using a 60 deg
dual pol sector on the Master
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
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Subject: [WISPA] Solution for high bandwidth semi-mobile link
I need to figure out a solution for high bandwidth (160mb/link unidirectional)
link. There will be a total of 6 links originating from a central point where
the remote station will be mobile up to 30 degrees from the originating point
up to 6 miles away. Because of the bandwidth required, i doubt i could do
anything on 5ghz because of the spectrum available. I dont think there is any
licensed frequencies out there that allow for 30 degree sectors.
One solution i was thinking would be licensed point to point to a pole that is
1000 feet away from the mobile station. From there i've seen free space optics
be able to have tracking on them. I'm not sure if itll do 30 degrees though.
Does anyone have any ideas or equipment that might work?
thanks
cj
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