Marlon: VoIP service providers have different compliance requirements when compared to access providers. The WISPA CALEA standard ONLY addresses access providers as I have already explained, and Michael has also confirmed. We didn't write the Act, we just have to read it (which I highly recommend), and comply with it.
jc On 3/1/2012 9:26 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: > But VoIP IS data.... > > LEA is just after the data. They don't care who gives it to them when > they are trying to track down a bad guy. > > You remember the conversations we had with the FBI. Without a > standard in place you (the operator of the network) have to do > everything you reasonably can to comply with their requests. > > If you are a VoIP provider but the VoIP doesn't ride your network you > can't track it. Just like you couldn't track a ptp file sharing > application *IF* neither end of the transaction rides your network. > > But, *IF* either end of the transaction rides your network you can and > will have to intercept the conversation and send a copy to LEA. > > Why is VoIP any different? It's just a voice conversation instead of > a kiddie porn video. Both have an audio component, both are data at > the network level. > > I'm not saying you are wrong here. But if I were the LEA I'd not > care, I just need the data. > > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Utter" <j...@imagestream.com> > To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)" <o...@odessaoffice.com> > Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>; <caleaquesti...@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Caleaquestions] [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question > > >> I agree with your first sentence, Marlon, but your second comment >> seems unclear because everyone hands off traffic. >> >> The main difference between 3rd party and in-house VoIP is that you >> have a different set of rules to follow for CALEA compliance >> specifically for voice service providers that includes the >> requirement to provide call records to the LEA (called number, start >> call, end call, call duration, etc.). There are other differences, >> but this is the main difference. The WISPA CALEA Standard does not >> apply to VoIP intercepts when VoIP is hosted in-house. The IPNA >> standard is specifically for Network Access providers (the "NA" in >> IPNA) and not for Voice Service Providers. >> >> We should have a standard for wireless VoIP providers, because a lot >> of WISPs offer VoIP today compared to the time when we started >> writing the first WISPA CALEA standard. >> >> jc >> >> >> On 3/1/2012 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: >>> You can only record what hits your network. >>> >>> If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it. >>> >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Matt Hoppes"<mhop...@indigowireless.com> >>> To:<fai...@snappydsl.net>; "WISPA General List"<wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question >>> >>> >>>> I'm obviously not asking the question properly. >>>> >>>> I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic. My >>>> question is >>>> related to VoIP traffic in particular. >>>> >>>> (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the >>>> call... >>>> but I can capture the packets). >>>> >>>> However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from >>>> your >>>> network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the >>>> LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was >>>> heard >>>> on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt Hoppes >>>> Director of Information Technology >>>> Indigo Wireless >>>> +1 (570) 723-7312 >>>> >>>> On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>>> Do a google search on "Mikrotik CALEA", take a look at The Mikrotik >>>>> WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation. >>>>> This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you >>>>> are >>>>> asking for . >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, Fl 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>>>>> We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to >>>>>> supplement our >>>>>> GSM offerings in certain situations. >>>>>> >>>>>> A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA >>>>>> compliant and be able to record calls. >>>>>> >>>>>> ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass >>>>>> through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft >>>>>> switch >>>>>> sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and then a re-invite >>>>>> happens which sends the audio from the end-user direct to the Level3 >>>>>> switch) >>>>>> >>>>>> How am I suppose to be able to record that call? >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wireless mailing list >>>>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wireless mailing list >>>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wireless mailing list >>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Caleaquestions mailing list >>> caleaquesti...@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/caleaquestions >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
