It does build a security, though.  Security = 1/convenience*0.72

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On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Simon Westlake <si...@powercode.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I completely agree and I think it is a goal the WISP industry needs to
> work towards - the provisioning of CPE is still a nightmare in
> comparison to DOCSIS. PPPoE is not a good solution, IMO - it's arguably
> better than nothing but you shouldn't have to rely on the customer
> supplied equipment being configured correctly to just auth to the
> network - that's the job of the ISP CPE.
>
> It's not even that hard of a problem to solve in the grand scheme of
> things.
>
> On 10/13/2012 8:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Well yes it is, but I believe the cable industry has it setup the best.
> It's easy for the end user to BYOD and the ISP remains hand-off. The WISP
> industry makes it difficult to do so. Currently everything I do is NATed at
> the CPE, but I'd like to make that optional, not a requirement. Obviously
> for enterprise\wholesale level connections I do something different, but
> there's too many hands involved to do that for residential at this time.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappydsl.net>
> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:51:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers
> >
> > While this is your opinion, others have a different opinion...
> > For what is it worth, It would be nice to have Radius attributes for
> > provisioning the radio..It currently shows it to be on their todo list.
> > As for your other item, I believe DHCP relay is built into the new
> > firmware .
> >
> > As far as NAT is concerned, it has it's place.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, Fl 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
> >
> > On 10/12/2012 10:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> I want to see the removal of doing anything other than DHCP to the
> client's device. The CPE radio pulls it's rate-shaping information from
> RADIUS and allows any number of DHCP clients on a per-CPE basis to pull a
> public IP.
> >>
> >> An ISP doing NAT is just silly.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Scott Reed" <sr...@nwwnet.net>
> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:16:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers
> >>
> >>
> >> NAT at the at a couple of towers, but not at the CPE.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/11/2012 6:52 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Not sure I under stand the no-NAT, so every device on the other side of
> the CPE has it's own public IP?
> >>
> >> On 10/11/2012 4:53 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We run MT, not UBNT, CPE, but it doesn't matter what brand it is. We
> run them in as routers, but do not NAT. Same benefits others mentioned for
> routing, just one fewer NAT. Never have a problem with it this way and
> can't see any good reason to NAT there.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/11/2012 3:46 PM, Arthur Stephens wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We currently use Ubiquiti radios in bridge mode and assign a ip address
> to the customers router.
> >> He have heard other wisp are using the Ubiquiti radio as a router.
> >> Would like feed back why one would do this when it appears customers
> would be double natted when they hook up their routers?
> >> Or does it not matter from the customer experience?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
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