Except that's sub-optimal. I do it that way, but it's not the best way of doing it. We shouldn't have to manage that.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:58:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers I have all of that now. I NAT the CPE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Simon Westlake < si...@powercode.com > wrote: I pretty much say 'meh' to that. What it really means is that a smart person can probably quickly find a way to exploit your network because everyone is reinventing the wheel and making a lot of mistakes doing it. I get what you're saying but I don't agree that it is a good reason for lack of standardization. Imagine how nice it would be if you could just hook up an SM and have the following things happen: Customer plugs in any device and it just works (no calling you to have you help configure PPPoE, authorize their new MAC) Customer loops their network and it doesn't break stuff beyond the SM Customer can't do stuff beyond the SM even though it's not running NAT (e.g. ARP poisoning) Rate limiting, etc, is standardized in the SM This is a small subset what you get with a cable modem, and a cable modem is not a (at a high level) complicated or expensive device. On 10/19/2012 1:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: The opposite of convenience and standardization. You do things your way, I do things my way, another guy does things his way - makes it hard to jump from network to network from a white hat or black hat perspective. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Simon Westlake < si...@powercode.com > wrote: What builds security? On 10/19/2012 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It does build a security, though. Security = 1/convenience*0.72 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Simon Westlake < si...@powercode.com > wrote: Mike, I completely agree and I think it is a goal the WISP industry needs to work towards - the provisioning of CPE is still a nightmare in comparison to DOCSIS. PPPoE is not a good solution, IMO - it's arguably better than nothing but you shouldn't have to rely on the customer supplied equipment being configured correctly to just auth to the network - that's the job of the ISP CPE. It's not even that hard of a problem to solve in the grand scheme of things. On 10/13/2012 8:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Well yes it is, but I believe the cable industry has it setup the best. It's > easy for the end user to BYOD and the ISP remains hand-off. The WISP industry > makes it difficult to do so. Currently everything I do is NATed at the CPE, > but I'd like to make that optional, not a requirement. Obviously for > enterprise\wholesale level connections I do something different, but there's > too many hands involved to do that for residential at this time. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappydsl.net > > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:51:50 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers > > While this is your opinion, others have a different opinion... > For what is it worth, It would be nice to have Radius attributes for > provisioning the radio..It currently shows it to be on their todo list. > As for your other item, I believe DHCP relay is built into the new > firmware . > > As far as NAT is concerned, it has it's place. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, Fl 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net > > On 10/12/2012 10:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> I want to see the removal of doing anything other than DHCP to the client's >> device. The CPE radio pulls it's rate-shaping information from RADIUS and >> allows any number of DHCP clients on a per-CPE basis to pull a public IP. >> >> An ISP doing NAT is just silly. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Reed" < sr...@nwwnet.net > >> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:16:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers >> >> >> NAT at the at a couple of towers, but not at the CPE. >> >> >> On 10/11/2012 6:52 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: >> >> >> >> Not sure I under stand the no-NAT, so every device on the other side of the >> CPE has it's own public IP? >> >> On 10/11/2012 4:53 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >> >> >> We run MT, not UBNT, CPE, but it doesn't matter what brand it is. We run >> them in as routers, but do not NAT. Same benefits others mentioned for >> routing, just one fewer NAT. Never have a problem with it this way and can't >> see any good reason to NAT there. >> >> >> On 10/11/2012 3:46 PM, Arthur Stephens wrote: >> >> >> We currently use Ubiquiti radios in bridge mode and assign a ip address to >> the customers router. >> He have heard other wisp are using the Ubiquiti radio as a router. >> Would like feed back why one would do this when it appears customers would >> be double natted when they hook up their routers? >> Or does it not matter from the customer experience? >> >> >> Thanks >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
