Yeah.. that's the solution most WISPs are forced into. Would sure be
nice to do it without NAT.
On 10/19/2012 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I have all of that now. I NAT the CPE.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Simon Westlake <si...@powercode.com
<mailto:si...@powercode.com>> wrote:
I pretty much say 'meh' to that. What it really means is that a
smart person can probably quickly find a way to exploit your
network because everyone is reinventing the wheel and making a lot
of mistakes doing it.
I get what you're saying but I don't agree that it is a good
reason for lack of standardization. Imagine how nice it would be
if you could just hook up an SM and have the following things happen:
Customer plugs in any device and it just works (no calling you to
have you help configure PPPoE, authorize their new MAC)
Customer loops their network and it doesn't break stuff beyond the SM
Customer can't do stuff beyond the SM even though it's not running
NAT (e.g. ARP poisoning)
Rate limiting, etc, is standardized in the SM
This is a small subset what you get with a cable modem, and a
cable modem is not a (at a high level) complicated or expensive
device.
On 10/19/2012 1:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The opposite of convenience and standardization. You do things
your way, I do things my way, another guy does things his way -
makes it hard to jump from network to network from a white hat or
black hat perspective.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Simon Westlake
<si...@powercode.com <mailto:si...@powercode.com>> wrote:
What builds security?
On 10/19/2012 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It does build a security, though. Security =
1/convenience*0.72
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Simon Westlake
<si...@powercode.com <mailto:si...@powercode.com>> wrote:
Mike,
I completely agree and I think it is a goal the WISP
industry needs to
work towards - the provisioning of CPE is still a
nightmare in
comparison to DOCSIS. PPPoE is not a good solution, IMO
- it's arguably
better than nothing but you shouldn't have to rely on
the customer
supplied equipment being configured correctly to just
auth to the
network - that's the job of the ISP CPE.
It's not even that hard of a problem to solve in the
grand scheme of things.
On 10/13/2012 8:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Well yes it is, but I believe the cable industry has
it setup the best. It's easy for the end user to BYOD
and the ISP remains hand-off. The WISP industry makes it
difficult to do so. Currently everything I do is NATed
at the CPE, but I'd like to make that optional, not a
requirement. Obviously for enterprise\wholesale level
connections I do something different, but there's too
many hands involved to do that for residential at this time.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappydsl.net
<mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net>>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:51:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers
>
> While this is your opinion, others have a different
opinion...
> For what is it worth, It would be nice to have Radius
attributes for
> provisioning the radio..It currently shows it to be on
their todo list.
> As for your other item, I believe DHCP relay is built
into the new
> firmware .
>
> As far as NAT is concerned, it has it's place.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 <tel:305%20663%205518> option 2
Email: supp...@snappydsl.net <mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net>
>
> On 10/12/2012 10:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I want to see the removal of doing anything other
than DHCP to the client's device. The CPE radio pulls
it's rate-shaping information from RADIUS and allows any
number of DHCP clients on a per-CPE basis to pull a
public IP.
>>
>> An ISP doing NAT is just silly.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Reed" <sr...@nwwnet.net
<mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:16:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers
>>
>>
>> NAT at the at a couple of towers, but not at the CPE.
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/2012 6:52 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure I under stand the no-NAT, so every device on
the other side of the CPE has it's own public IP?
>>
>> On 10/11/2012 4:53 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>>
>>
>> We run MT, not UBNT, CPE, but it doesn't matter what
brand it is. We run them in as routers, but do not NAT.
Same benefits others mentioned for routing, just one
fewer NAT. Never have a problem with it this way and
can't see any good reason to NAT there.
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/2012 3:46 PM, Arthur Stephens wrote:
>>
>>
>> We currently use Ubiquiti radios in bridge mode and
assign a ip address to the customers router.
>> He have heard other wisp are using the Ubiquiti radio
as a router.
>> Would like feed back why one would do this when it
appears customers would be double natted when they hook
up their routers?
>> Or does it not matter from the customer experience?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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