If Ubnt works it's either wifi or airmax. It ain't no airmax... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Adam Greene <maill...@webjogger.net> wrote: > I have the same question as to whether non-proprietary devices like > cellphones and laptops will be able to connect to the AP. For example, > in a municipal deployment where the town wants to give all residents > low-cost or free Internet access. > > On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I'm assuming that since stadiums are a market, these are traditional > WiFi, since you can't very well plug a USB dongle into a smartphone. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:21:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the > previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I > don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international > examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like > smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market > is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. > > > > > > > > The specs on the dual band sector are: > > > > 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV > > > > 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV > > > > > > > > Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC > requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: > > > > 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm > > 5 GHz: 49 dBm > > > > > > > > Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea > of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source > (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile > away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story > porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume > mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as > well, so that should help the range too. > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Leary > > > > Alvarion > > > > 727.501.3735 > > > > > > > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > > > > > > > > > Patrick, > > > > > > Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower > running 3X3? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@alvarion.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy > b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate > (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature > 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: > > > > > > > > WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 > antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. > > > > WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again > with each band 3x3. > > > > WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 > diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. > > > > > > > > Yes John, we have client devices, among them: > > > > Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small > form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts > indoor. It is a really effective little box. > > > > There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. > > > > There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. > > > > > > > > I have to check as there may be others. > > > > > > > > Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. > > > > > > > > They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target > all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. > This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have > several other patented interference mitigation techniques. > > > > > > > > Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the > 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 > feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks. > > > > > > > > Patrick Leary > > > > Alvarion > > > > 727.501.3735 > > > > > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] > On Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM > > To: j...@mvn.net ; WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > > > > > > > > > > > We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for > trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single > ap. The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some > performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only > not N. Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer > ubnt dual mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use > something called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to > penetrate or go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni > (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The > new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) and supposedly can > handle double the amount of clients. And another plus is the few times we > have had issues all ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it > and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u have specific > questions I didn't answer let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > > > > > > John Scrivner < j...@mvn.net > wrote: > > > > Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is it > omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer > link? Latency results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only use > plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant (like UBNT AirMAX or > Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How > many deployments? Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to > hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do when I saw them at a > show but I am always hesitant to believe anything that is pure Wifi can be > a real outdoor delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results > about this device. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Scriv > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves < ty...@wigi.us > wrote: > > > > > > > > We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They can b a little > pricey though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > > > > > > > > > > Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: > > > > Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > > wrote: > > > > There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. > > > > Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd > consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are > generally too low of throughput to be useful. > > > > I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi > space to not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. > Mikrotik has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. > > > > Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. > It looks really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive. > > > > 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I > have areas where I could put something multiples higher to use. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Jenkins" < m...@smarterbroadband.net > > > To: us...@wug.cc , "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM > > Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > > > Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone > > successfully deploying something else to service both residential and > > business customers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Matt > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses(100). > > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses(42). > > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses(42). > > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses(100). > > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses(42). > > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses(42). > > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >
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