Wait so what's not licensed?? Or is it a brick without one or the other? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 28, 2013 8:53 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com> wrote:
> I knew it was too good to be true... > > "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses. > > :( > > On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > > The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector > > or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. > > I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing > > examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit > > me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. > > > > Patrick Leary > > > > Alvarion > > > > 727.501.3735 > > > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis > > *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM > > *To:* WISPA General List > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > > > I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. > > > > I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT > > CPE? > > > > How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? > > > > Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? > > > > Pricing? > > > > -- > > > > On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > > > > Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. > > Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor > > CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a > > lot older! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" > > <mhop...@indigowireless.com <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> > wrote: > > > > So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the > > licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from > > yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary > > <patrick.le...@alvarion.com <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> > > wrote: > > > > I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different > > from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware > > (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American > > anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not > > WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like > > smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. > > The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector > > versions. > > > > The specs on the dual band sector are: > > > > 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV > > > > 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV > > > > Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet > > the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: > > > > 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm > > 5 GHz: 49 dBm > > > > Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to > > get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I > > know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting > > stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his > > house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story > > porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I > > should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is > > bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help > > the range too. > > > > Patrick Leary > > > > Alvarion > > > > 727.501.3735 > > > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt > Hoppes > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM > > *To:* WISPA General List > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > > > Patrick, > > > > Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the > > tower running 3X3? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary > > <patrick.le...@alvarion.com > > <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that > > version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis > > diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate > > (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are > > N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz > > side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: > > > > WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 > > degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V > > details if you want. > > > > WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band > > omnis, again with each band 3x3. > > > > WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector > > and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. > > > > Yes John, we have client devices, among them: > > > > Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is > > basically a very small form factor repeater that picks > > up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a > > really effective little box. > > > > There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. > > > > There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. > > > > I have to check as there may be others. > > > > Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps > > aggregate. > > > > They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the > > antennas target all the energy to each client and does > > this on a per packet decision basis. This helps > > considerably with interference mitigation. The radios > > also have several other patented interference mitigation > > techniques. > > > > Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios > > as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 > > (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel > > like tanks. > > > > Patrick Leary > > > > Alvarion > > > > 727.501.3735 > > > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Tyson > > Shreeves > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM > > *To:* j...@mvn.net <mailto:j...@mvn.net>; WISPA General > List > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > > > We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our > > original reason for trying wavion was the amount of > > clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most > > we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some > > performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model > > mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were > > roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo > > on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use > > something called beam forming I believe that supposedly > > just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more > > efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually > > hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The > > new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) > > and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients. > > And another plus is the few times we have had issues all > > ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it > > and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u > > have specific questions I didn't answer let me know. > > > > /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ > > > > > > > > John Scrivner <j...@mvn.net <mailto:j...@mvn.net>> > wrote: > > > > Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers > > on an AP? Is it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP > > and client devices? Longest customer link? Latency > > results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only > > use plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant > > (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? > > Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many deployments? > > Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to > > hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do > > when I saw them at a show but I am always hesitant to > > believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a real outdoor > > delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results > > about this device. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Scriv > > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves > > <ty...@wigi.us <mailto:ty...@wigi.us>> wrote: > > > > We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They > > can b a little pricey though. > > > > /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ > > > > > > > > Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: > > > > Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > > 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" > > <wispawirel...@ics-il.net > > <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > > > > There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. > > > > Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP > > (LTE?), but I'd consider it to be at the new bar for > > average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are generally too low > > of throughput to be useful. > > > > I don't think anyone has really enough of a > > differentiator in the WiFi space to not use UBNT or > > Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik > > has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. > > > > Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing > > their own thing. It looks really good if only the APs > > were 90% less expensive. > > > > 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to > > be considered. 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