So how can we get some solid info on this thing? It looks really impressive... but there are so many questions!
On 1/28/13 9:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Don't think that's the case > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com> wrote: > >> I knew it was too good to be true... >> >> "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses. >> >> :( >> >> On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >>> The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector >>> or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. >>> I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing >>> examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit >>> me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> >>> Alvarion >>> >>> 727.501.3735 >>> >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis >>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>> >>> I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. >>> >>> I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT >>> CPE? >>> >>> How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? >>> >>> Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? >>> >>> Pricing? >>> >>> -- >>> >>> On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >>> >>> Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. >>> Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor >>> CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a >>> lot older! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" >>> <mhop...@indigowireless.com <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: >>> >>> So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the >>> licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from >>> yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary >>> <patrick.le...@alvarion.com <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different >>> from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware >>> (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American >>> anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not >>> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like >>> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. >>> The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector >>> versions. >>> >>> The specs on the dual band sector are: >>> >>> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV >>> >>> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV >>> >>> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet >>> the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: >>> >>> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm >>> 5 GHz: 49 dBm >>> >>> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to >>> get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I >>> know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting >>> stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his >>> house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story >>> porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I >>> should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is >>> bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help >>> the range too. >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> >>> Alvarion >>> >>> 727.501.3735 >>> >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>> >>> Patrick, >>> >>> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the >>> tower running 3X3? >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary >>> <patrick.le...@alvarion.com >>> <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that >>> version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis >>> diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate >>> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are >>> N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz >>> side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: >>> >>> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 >>> degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V >>> details if you want. >>> >>> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band >>> omnis, again with each band 3x3. >>> >>> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector >>> and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. >>> >>> Yes John, we have client devices, among them: >>> >>> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is >>> basically a very small form factor repeater that picks >>> up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a >>> really effective little box. >>> >>> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. >>> >>> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. >>> >>> I have to check as there may be others. >>> >>> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps >>> aggregate. >>> >>> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the >>> antennas target all the energy to each client and does >>> this on a per packet decision basis. This helps >>> considerably with interference mitigation. The radios >>> also have several other patented interference mitigation >>> techniques. >>> >>> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios >>> as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 >>> (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel >>> like tanks. >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> >>> Alvarion >>> >>> 727.501.3735 >>> >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Tyson >>> Shreeves >>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM >>> *To:* j...@mvn.net <mailto:j...@mvn.net>; WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>> >>> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our >>> original reason for trying wavion was the amount of >>> clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most >>> we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some >>> performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model >>> mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were >>> roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo >>> on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use >>> something called beam forming I believe that supposedly >>> just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more >>> efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually >>> hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The >>> new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) >>> and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients. >>> And another plus is the few times we have had issues all >>> ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it >>> and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u >>> have specific questions I didn't answer let me know. >>> >>> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ >>> >>> >>> >>> John Scrivner <j...@mvn.net <mailto:j...@mvn.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers >>> on an AP? Is it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP >>> and client devices? Longest customer link? Latency >>> results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only >>> use plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant >>> (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? >>> Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many deployments? >>> Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to >>> hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do >>> when I saw them at a show but I am always hesitant to >>> believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a real outdoor >>> delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results >>> about this device. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Scriv >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves >>> <ty...@wigi.us <mailto:ty...@wigi.us>> wrote: >>> >>> We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They >>> can b a little pricey though. >>> >>> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" >>> <wispawirel...@ics-il.net >>> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>> >>> There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. >>> >>> Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP >>> (LTE?), but I'd consider it to be at the new bar for >>> average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are generally too low >>> of throughput to be useful. >>> >>> I don't think anyone has really enough of a >>> differentiator in the WiFi space to not use UBNT or >>> Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik >>> has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. >>> >>> Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing >>> their own thing. It looks really good if only the APs >>> were 90% less expensive. >>> >>> 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to >>> be considered. I have areas where I could put something >>> multiples higher to use. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Matt Jenkins" <m...@smarterbroadband.net >>> <mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>> >>> To: us...@wug.cc <mailto:us...@wug.cc>, "WISPA General >>> List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>> >>> Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, >>> is anyone >>> successfully deploying something else to service both >>> residential and >>> business customers? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> - Matt >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> 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