Best complete info will come via the Feb 12 webinar. Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:42 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com> wrote: > So how can we get some solid info on this thing? It looks really > impressive... but there are so many questions! > > On 1/28/13 9:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: >> Don't think that's the case >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I knew it was too good to be true... >>> >>> "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses. >>> >>> :( >>> >>> On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >>>> The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector >>>> or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. >>>> I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing >>>> examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit >>>> me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. >>>> >>>> Patrick Leary >>>> >>>> Alvarion >>>> >>>> 727.501.3735 >>>> >>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM >>>> *To:* WISPA General List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>>> >>>> I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. >>>> >>>> I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT >>>> CPE? >>>> >>>> How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? >>>> >>>> Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? >>>> >>>> Pricing? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >>>> >>>> Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. >>>> Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor >>>> CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a >>>> lot older! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" >>>> <mhop...@indigowireless.com <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the >>>> licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from >>>> yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary >>>> <patrick.le...@alvarion.com <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different >>>> from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware >>>> (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American >>>> anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not >>>> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like >>>> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. >>>> The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector >>>> versions. >>>> >>>> The specs on the dual band sector are: >>>> >>>> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV >>>> >>>> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV >>>> >>>> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet >>>> the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: >>>> >>>> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm >>>> 5 GHz: 49 dBm >>>> >>>> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to >>>> get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I >>>> know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting >>>> stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his >>>> house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story >>>> porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I >>>> should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is >>>> bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help >>>> the range too. >>>> >>>> Patrick Leary >>>> >>>> Alvarion >>>> >>>> 727.501.3735 >>>> >>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM >>>> *To:* WISPA General List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>>> >>>> Patrick, >>>> >>>> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the >>>> tower running 3X3? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary >>>> <patrick.le...@alvarion.com >>>> <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that >>>> version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis >>>> diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate >>>> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are >>>> N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz >>>> side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: >>>> >>>> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 >>>> degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V >>>> details if you want. >>>> >>>> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band >>>> omnis, again with each band 3x3. >>>> >>>> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector >>>> and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. >>>> >>>> Yes John, we have client devices, among them: >>>> >>>> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is >>>> basically a very small form factor repeater that picks >>>> up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a >>>> really effective little box. >>>> >>>> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. >>>> >>>> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. >>>> >>>> I have to check as there may be others. >>>> >>>> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps >>>> aggregate. >>>> >>>> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the >>>> antennas target all the energy to each client and does >>>> this on a per packet decision basis. This helps >>>> considerably with interference mitigation. The radios >>>> also have several other patented interference mitigation >>>> techniques. >>>> >>>> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios >>>> as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 >>>> (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel >>>> like tanks. >>>> >>>> Patrick Leary >>>> >>>> Alvarion >>>> >>>> 727.501.3735 >>>> >>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Tyson >>>> Shreeves >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM >>>> *To:* j...@mvn.net <mailto:j...@mvn.net>; WISPA General List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>>> >>>> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our >>>> original reason for trying wavion was the amount of >>>> clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most >>>> we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some >>>> performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model >>>> mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were >>>> roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo >>>> on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use >>>> something called beam forming I believe that supposedly >>>> just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more >>>> efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually >>>> hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The >>>> new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) >>>> and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients. >>>> And another plus is the few times we have had issues all >>>> ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it >>>> and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u >>>> have specific questions I didn't answer let me know. >>>> >>>> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Scrivner <j...@mvn.net <mailto:j...@mvn.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers >>>> on an AP? Is it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP >>>> and client devices? Longest customer link? Latency >>>> results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only >>>> use plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant >>>> (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? >>>> Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many deployments? >>>> Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to >>>> hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do >>>> when I saw them at a show but I am always hesitant to >>>> believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a real outdoor >>>> delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results >>>> about this device. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Scriv >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves >>>> <ty...@wigi.us <mailto:ty...@wigi.us>> wrote: >>>> >>>> We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They >>>> can b a little pricey though. >>>> >>>> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >>>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" >>>> <wispawirel...@ics-il.net >>>> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. >>>> >>>> Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP >>>> (LTE?), but I'd consider it to be at the new bar for >>>> average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are generally too low >>>> of throughput to be useful. >>>> >>>> I don't think anyone has really enough of a >>>> differentiator in the WiFi space to not use UBNT or >>>> Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik >>>> has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. >>>> >>>> Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing >>>> their own thing. It looks really good if only the APs >>>> were 90% less expensive. >>>> >>>> 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to >>>> be considered. 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