I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size?
Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: > Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back > for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the "easy > method" it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very > valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density > solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the > connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to > helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). > > What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP > backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for > PtMP? > > > Josh Reynolds, CIO > SPITwSPOTS > www.spitwspots.com > On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: > > +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas > good ideas do take time. > > The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to > change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have > limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make > the change. > > This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis > as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to > settle now. > > Jaime > > On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: > > Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I > brainstormed about in July :) > > http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 > > Josh Reynolds, CIO > SPITwSPOTS > www.spitwspots.com > On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under > wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't > figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. > > At least it worked for one person =P > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: > >> You're... out of the loop. >> >> Josh Reynolds, CIO >> SPITwSPOTS >> www.spitwspots.com >> >> On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> > The PtMP. >> > >> > >> > Matt Hoppes >> > Director of Information Technology >> > Indigo Wireless >> > +1 (570) 723-7312 >> > >> > On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> What are you "what"ing? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com> >> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released >> >> >> >> Wait... whut? >> >> >> >> >> >> Matt Hoppes >> >> Director of Information Technology >> >> Indigo Wireless >> >> +1 (570) 723-7312 >> >> >> >> On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >>> Jamie, >> >>> >> >>> We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP >> ;) >> >>> >> >>> Josh Reynolds, CIO >> >>> SPITwSPOTS >> >>> www.spitwspots.com >> >>> >> >>> On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: >> >>>> 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the >> >>>> integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, >> >>>> worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max >> >> performance. >> >>>> That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go >> up >> >>>> of course in different channels, and channel widths. >> >>>> >> >>>> We're finishing off a "colocation planner" in our cloud tools that >> >>>> automates those answers for you based on your radio location link >> >>>> plans, coming soon! >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheers, >> >>>> >> >>>> Jaime >> >>>> >> >>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, "Mike Hammett" < >> wispawirel...@ics-il.net >> >>>> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Thanks a bunch! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that >> >>>>> just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so >> >>>>> what's the minimum isolation? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 >> >>>>> radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have >> >>>>> towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in >> >>>>> other directions. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how >> >>>>> hard is that number. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ----- >> >>>>> Mike Hammett >> >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>> *From: *"Jaime Fink" <ja...@mimosa.co <mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>> >> >>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org >> >>>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM >> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Mike, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation >> >>>>> capacities for the group. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate >> >>>>> directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same >> >>>>> channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages >> >>>>> integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture >> >>>>> efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out >> >>>>> there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that >> >>>>> performance. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> No magic pixie dust, just great technology. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I >> >>>>> absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for >> >>>>> PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple >> >>>>> clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with >> >>>>> our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve >> >>>>> announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of >> >>>>> compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Cheers! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* >> >>>>> 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co >> >>>>> <http://www.mimosa.co> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the >> >>>>> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution >> >>>>> or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the >> >>>>> intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), >> >>>>> please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of >> >>>>> this message. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net >> >>>>> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >From a TechCrunch article: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses >> >>>>> multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide >> >>>>> up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are >> >>>>> using the same channel. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, >> >>>>> that's pretty amazing. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ----- >> >>>>> Mike Hammett >> >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >>>>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>> *From: *"Fred Goldstein" <fgoldst...@ionary.com >> >>>>> <mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> >> >>>>> *To: *wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM >> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that >> was >> >>>>> my thought also.. >> >>>>> I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I >> >>>>> can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data >> center. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new >> >>>>> radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any >> of >> >>>>> these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If >> >>>>> traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it >> won't >> >>>>> be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the >> >>>>> frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and >> >>>>> share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including "Cable >> >>>>> WiFi" (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill >> >>>>> performance, at least for the type of moderate load >> applications >> >>>>> (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is >> >>>>> sometimes used as a backup to take over during rain fade. >> During >> >>>>> the storm last week that brought a tornado just a few subway >> >>>>> stops from downtown Boston, we even lost 11 GHz links for time. >> >>>>> The rainfall was off the charts for the second time in a month. >> >>>>> But 5 Ghz links hardly noticed it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Also to Mimosa's credit, it comes with a 44 cm 25 dB dish, >> whose >> >>>>> narrowness helps with frequency reuse. It will probably >> produce >> >>>>> a lot less clutter than outdoor access points, or even some >> >>>>> indoor access points that use more power than necessary. (We >> put >> >>>>> a NanoBridge 5G25 on a hilltop and were able to pick up WLANs >> >>>>> inside office towers four miles away.) And they are petitioning >> >>>>> the FCC to open up 10 GHz under Part 90 (light licensing, like >> >> 3650). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes >> >>>>> <mhop...@indigowireless.com >> >>>>> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Oh dear.... so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz >> spectrum? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> AF5 + Mimosa.... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Matt Hoppes >> >>>>> Director of Information Technology >> >>>>> Indigo Wireless >> >>>>> +1 (570) 723-7312 <tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: >> >>>>> > Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author >> >>>>> of "Learn >> >>>>> > RouterOS- Second Edition >> >>>>> > < >> http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm>” >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support >> >>>>> > Services >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > Office*: 314-735-0270 <tel:314-735-0270> >> >>>>> <tel:314-735-0270 <tel:314-735-0270>> *Website*: >> >>>>> > http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> >>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> – *Skype*: >> >>>>> > linktechs >> >>>>> > <skype:linktechs?call> >> >>>>> > */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with >> >>>>> /*www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com/ >> > >> >>>>> > <http://www.towercoverage.com/>*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE >> – 3G >> >>>>> – 3.65 – TV >> >>>>> > Whitespace */ >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> >>>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >> >>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> >>>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] >> >>>>> > *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini >> >>>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM >> >>>>> > *To:* WISPA General List >> >>>>> > *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product >> released >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > Gino A. 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