Like I said, for a price. https://www.vitesse.com/products/software/sdk
We need mainline kernel support, as well as the user space layer1 and layer2
diagnostic tools.
On December 30, 2014 2:49:35 PM AKST, Fred Goldstein <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/30/2014 6:41 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> I agree with about 50% of this.
>>
>> All of the products I know of that run trill or spb or support
>several
>> MEF levels are Linux based that are driving FPGAs.
>>
>> You also have stuff like this:
>http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/sklvarjo/y1731/
>>
>> If you look at cumulus networks, their Linux based stack is driving
>> data center network virtualization forward by giving you a common
>> software platform on abstracted hardware. None of it is MEF, but
>> saying Linux has stagnated on the general network front isn't
>> accurate. It does lack a decent open source carrier stack though,
>> including the MEF pieces and things like MPLS. Thankfully some
>vendors
>> have stepped into that space... For a price.
>>
>
>I'm not saying that Linux can't play a role. But the ones you're
>describing (like Cumulus) are proprietary hardware products using
>embedded Linux to perform some, not all, of the functions. RouterOS,
>EdgeOS, fooWRT, and similar OSs are however just Linux, using built-in
>Linux routing capabilities. And even that is in an entirely different
>direction from MEF; data center stuff is still connectionless MAC or IP
>
>switching. So it's not that Linux isn't present in all sorts of
>places;
>it's just that Linux isn't bringing CE to the party.
>
>The actual forwarding protocols for Carrier Ethernet don't seem to have
>
>been implemented for Linux. At least not in the open kernel. So
>they're
>not available to the dirt-cheap Linux router market that WISPs like.
>
>I do hope we can get some RINA stuff into circulation though; fully
>baked (and this hasn't all been coded yet), it is a functional superset
>
>of both CE, MPLS, IP, and IPsec, among other things, with a much
>smaller
>footprint.
>
>> On December 30, 2014 2:19:40 PM AKST, Fred Goldstein
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/30/2014 5:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS?
>>>
>>> So... have you asked for it yet? :-p
>>>
>>>
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I may have once asked somebody from MT about it, maybe at a show,
>> and they gave the predicted answer, that they're a *router*
>> company. Sort of like DEC, which was a inicomputer company.
>>
>> Of course MEF has a lot of specs now. They aren't all critical,
>> but support for the basic connection types, with QoS, is what
>> matters. But this is foreign to the whole Linux-router market.
>> Linux is a fossil of the early 1990s, when eye pee was still sort
>> of the new thing, and everything else was assumed to be the
>enemy,
>> or the eeevull telephone company. RouterOS is basically a lot of
>> lipstick on top of Linux. That world still assumes that
>> connectionless is next to godliness, that QoS is impossible, and
>> that Ethernet is orange hose tied together with MAC-table
>bridges.
>>
>> For those unfamiliar with it, Carrier Ethernet, which is
>> standardized by the Metro Ethernet Forum, uses the Ethernet frame
>> format to provide a wide range of services that aren't bridging.
>> There's point to point Ethernet Private Line, there's PtMP
>> Ethernet Virtual Private Line, and there's MPtMP LAN emulation.
>> It's usually connection-oriented, using the VLAN tag as the
>> connection ID, not the MAC. It offers CIR+EIR support ("three
>> color"). It is protocol-agnostic to higher layers. It is
>> manageable. And with the new SPB, it has OSPF routing between
>> network elements, not just RSTP.
>>
>> In other words, it's Ethernet Formatted Frame Relay. And that's
>> good; it's an improvement over the original slow telco FR. It's
>> the fastest-growing area in telecom (it's the new standard for
>> cellular backhaul, for instance). But it's not ideologically part
>> of the Linux/IP family, and people from that world (which
>includes
>> most WISP suppliers) neither understand it nor understand why
>it's
>> needed.
>>
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