iOS slowly growing? Maybe in terms of devices in use, but in proportion to other OSes, it's clearly on a steady decline in that graph, and the only OS that is probably taking their market share should be Android (if only it were Windows Phone 7/8 or Blackberry). This matches what I've been hearing about more people going to Android because Apple's mobile products are getting stale, and Android's offering larger phones, with more screen real estate and easier to type on.
I suppose I'm questioning the graph's data, since it doesn't make sense to me that iOS has been losing market share for 2.5 years to...Windows 7 (and a bit of MacOSX)? Meanwhile, Android/Linux is nowhere to be seen? There must be something I'm not understanding about the graph's data or representation...or the data is wrong. Anyway, I can't see how any of this has anything to do with WiX (other than avoiding making WiX decisions based on bad data), so apologies for the diversion. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] Sent: April 30, 2013 13:53 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bundle creation error using FIPS I see iOS slowly growing. I don't seen Android broken out at all. They get their data from web sites using their counter to track visitors. It's certainly not scientific but they have a lot of users and they're numbers are usually in the ballpark when compared to more deep analysis. Although, I wouldn't quote their exact numbers... On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > <nonWiX> > Hm, I wonder where gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201303 gets > their data, because I'm not sure I'm willing to believe iOS has been on a > steady decline since Sept 2009 while Linux/Other (which I have to assume > includes Android) has barely moved. Most suspicious. > </nonWiX> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > Sent: April 30, 2013 13:31 > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bundle creation error using FIPS > > Ahh, this graph is awesome: > http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201303 > > Quick glimpse at the picture here says that since 2008 to support roughly > 75% of the desktop market you had to support Windows XP & Windows 7. > Additionally, if you target Windows (which the WiX toolset does), somewhere > between 6-8% of the market is unavailable (Mac + Linux), which bumps up the > value of WinXP and Win7 a bit more. Craziness. > > Yeah, so we obviously want to work well on Windows XP and Windows 7 and > keep an eye out on Windows 8+ (since the future always has a chance to > change the numbers). I still can't believe the VC team actually dropped > support for WinXP from VS2012 originally. > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Neil Sleightholm <n...@x2systems.com > >wrote: > > > +1 for XP support (again unfortunately!) > > > > Still number 2 worldwide according to this: > > http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201204-201303 (equal to iOS in > > UK and US). This site http://www.netmarketshare.com/ puts it higher. > > > > Neil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] > > Sent: 30 April 2013 17:46 > > To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bundle creation error using FIPS > > > > +1 for continuing support for Windows XP (unfortunately!) > > > > >From what I understand, it's been hard enough prying Windows 98 from > many > > people's cold dead hands (and even then I'm sure there are hold-outs > > somewhere); good luck with phasing out Windows XP in the near future. > > > > A better question (perhaps for another mailing list / forum) is why > > doesn't Windows XP have SHA2 support by now. > > > > Alain > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > > Sent: April 30, 2013 12:19 > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bundle creation error using FIPS > > > > Creating a separate release would create even more overhead than trying > to > > support it now. It's hard enough to get all of our test cases covered > > without creating a whole different release for it. <smile/> > > > > That said, I generally agree with your statement about Windows XP being > on > > it *support* deathbed. Unfortunately, last numbers I saw showed Windows > XP > > as the second most popular operating system (after Win7) in the world by > a > > large margin. > > > > If my numbers are off, please point me at a reputable source with better > > numbers and we can consider killing Windows XP... I just don't see that > > happening in the next 5 years (although I'd love to be wrong). > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:19 AM, David G. van Hoose < > > david.g.vanho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > <soapbox>Windows XP is on its deathbed, and supporting it should not > > > hinder mainstream users.</soapbox> > > > > > > Why not release an XP build separately from the main build? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Mensching > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 09:15 > > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bundle creation error using FIPS > > > > > > Note: IIRC, the huge issue with SHA2 is that Windows XP doesn't have > > > support for it natively. We'd have a lot of unhappy people if we > > > dumped Windows XP support so this is going to be harder than it should > > be. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Jonathan Racine < > > > jonathan.rac...@hybris.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Bug #3287 is now created regarding this issue. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Jonathan Racine > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bob Arnson [mailto:b...@joyofsetup.com] > > > > Sent: April-19-13 8:54 PM > > > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bundle creation error using FIPS > > > > > > > > n 19-Apr-13 15:13, Jonathan Racine wrote: > > > > > >From what I can get out of the Domain Policies, only the SHA-2 > > > > algorithms were enabled. Official reason given is for > > > > PCI-Compliance. At this point would that become a feature request > > > > in order to make the brun behave correctly using SHA1 or SHA2 ? > > > > Please file a bug. 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