On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:35:09 -0500 Sasha Vasko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> Some application developers forget what the proper approach to the user > interface is. No app can simply request not being decorated and expect > its wish carried out at once. Apps should be able to adapt to whatever that's life in x with a wm - always. no app can send a configure request to move/resize and expect to get their wish either- same with titlebar, stacking, etc. etc. they are merely hints and suggestions. i think we all agree that we are already dealing with a world of vagaries as-is. we merely want to make those vagaries more... defined :) > As far as adding a property to request no frame decor, I think Motif > hints are perfectly good, having an advantage of completely covering the > purpose and being around for long enought for ppl to take notice. Quite > honestly I think that any WM concious of user wishes, should provide > configuration means for user to define what apps should and should not > get decorations. > > Piling up yet another property seems like a redundancy, and it has even > lesser sense as it will not guarantee an app anything anyway. agreed - even though it is not as clean - i'd go for just being more explicit on the mwm vs netwm property priorities with regards to explicit decoration requests and be done with it. > So to summ it all up : 1) App should attempt and request no decorations > using Motif hints. 2) User should be able to define which apps should be > undecorated and which should not. 3) App MUST check if it really is > undecorated using _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS, prior to rendering its funky > interface. 4) If window manager don't support _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS - tough > - application should accept its fate and allow WM to decorate it. > > Its getting kinda silly with all the apps trying to push window managers > around in order to implement some funky ideas of theirs. not any more so than they already do - its just a matter of configure requests really that a wm should be handling anyway (one way or another) :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) _______________________________________________ wm-spec-list mailing list wm-spec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/wm-spec-list
