tomorrow see you!!bye solange 2007/7/12, Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
"...As long as you have an endless appetite for learning more and more all over the board, before you know it you'll be pretty far along with your knowledge...." There really is no end to it, daily I am updating my skills and seem always to reach out and make that latest script I just mastered do even more. The only problem I have with this as a one man shop is that I spend more time learning than working on clients sites. Alas, I have not yet made my million...one more skill needed...ten to ignore - have no time...so I learn priorities...foundations. Web Standards. Content Management. Then the programming skills. After four or five years doing this full time and five part time, being from a construction background I speak of foundations a lot. Standards are that foundation. Bruce P bkdesign ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites > If you are interested in being and "all-rounder", don't let anyone scare > you away from it. I'm an "all-rounder" (designer/developer I would > call it), a one-man company. On my sites I do all the planning, > information layout, designing and coding - everything. (X)HTML, CSS, > javascript, PHP, MySQL on every site and before that ASP and MSSQL > (until 2006). > > The design process starts with pencil and paper. After bot 3-4 sheets > of scribbles and squares zooming to and fro all over the paper, I have a > worthy layout done. Then a wireframe is made in photoshop. Then the > design is made. Then it gets chopped and pages marked up. Then the > database gets built. Then the PHP is coded to stitch the front and back > together. If time is left over some javascript is sprinkled in to > taste. I hope that each site combines all the elements a little more > smoothly than last time creating a continued progression as I go. > > As long as you have an endless appetite for learning more and more all > over the board, before you know it you'll be pretty far along with your > knowledge. > > Joseph R. B. Taylor > > Sites by Joe, LLC > http://sitesbyjoe.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Breton Slivka wrote: >> >> >> On 7/12/07, *Hassan Schroeder* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> , you are wrong about graphic design. >> >> ..but seriously, I have *never* seen an ad for a "Graphic Designer" >> (or worse, mislabeled "Web Designer") that looked for anything but >> Photoshop/Illustrator, possibly Flash, proficiency. Nothing about >> BA/IA/UX/ID. Zip. Zed. >> >> For the vast majority of such positions, it's all about "purty". :-) >> >> Seriously. I do know exceptions -- Darrell Sano, who I worked with >> at Sun, comes to mind -- but they're few and far between. Far too >> far. >> >> >> >> That is an error in the Ads you've seen, and in the Advertiser's >> understanding of Graphic Design being just as flawed as yours. This is >> not an error in my definition of Graphic Design. I will not dispute >> that many self proclaimed "Graphic Designers" hold the same flawed >> view. This is a serious problem, which may be too big for me to >> singlehandedly handle, but a problem nonethless. To give an analogy, >> one could easily advertise for an accountant who is proficient in the >> use of Quicken and TurboTax. However this would be a flawed >> advertisement, as proficiency in those programs does not a qualified >> accountant make. Nor does proficiency in photoshop make a qualified >> Graphic Designer, nor would proficiency in Dreamweaver make a >> qualified Web Developer, nor Proficiency in MySQL a qualified Database >> Designer. >> >> Indeed, a common view of Surgeons may be that all they do is cut >> people up and shift things around, discounting any knowledge they may >> have of human anatomy, or medical science. Now imagine if there were a >> bunch of surgeons running around getting hired who had the same flawed >> perspective. It would be very difficult for a proper surgeon to gain >> any sense of credibility wouldn't it? That problem is real in both Web >> Development, and Graphic Design. Given that it's something both fields >> have in common, I would expect us to be able to team up to fight such >> perceptions, but sadly this is not the case for practitioners in >> either profession, as they each suffer from the misperceptions of the >> other. >> >> It makes me sad. >> >> >> >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ******************************************************************* > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *******************************************************************
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