The below was to James Ducker. -- Brett P.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Brett Patterson < inspiron.patters...@gmail.com> wrote: > THANK YOU!!! I could not agree with you more. And in the same since, I > think we agree with each other. > > Congratulations on an argument "well-played." And well-thought!!!!!!! > > -- > Brett P. > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM, James Ducker <james.duc...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi WSG, >> >> This entire argument is getting a bit much. Nothing on the web is in and >> of itself particularly accessible. Accessibility in HTML is a joke unless >> you have been taught the right practices. Flash was, is, and will continue >> to be, primarily, a tool for delivery of rich, interactive media. To that >> end accessibility in flash is almost a moot point, as you're never going to >> be able to enable a blind person to watch a video. If the issue is text, you >> shouldn't be using Flash, and if you are you should be implementing it in a >> manner that allows for graceful degradation. I know I'm glossing the issue, >> but bear with me. >> >> > Plenty of teachers, trainers, training providers, universities, TAFEs, >> schools, HR areas, etc are essentially lazy and can't be bothered to >> actually understand learning theory. This is why they 'continue to be >> committed to linear, push methodologies', it's easy to understand and cheep >> to develop. Vendor just give the market what they want. >> >> TAFEs and other para-tertiary institutions do this because that is what >> they are there to do. Their purpose is to give students the skills necessary >> to get a job and then self-perpetuate their skills. My experience of >> universities is that they don't do this at all. Even the less technical I.T. >> degrees will throw a smorgasbord of programming languages (no one goes to >> university to write HTML) and development methodologies at you and let you >> figure out which one works best for you. The result of being a good >> programmer is that it becomes easy to pick up ActionScript and use it well. >> Virtually no one writes good ActionScript. >> >> I've never taught flash to a class, so I won't speculate on its >> usefulness. It is in my opinion something that should be taught to I.T. >> students because of the ubiquity of Flash on the web. >> >> I think the argument against Flash in eLearning is flawed. It sounds more >> like an argument of how Flash is being used in eLearning. The issue doesn't >> lie with Flash itself, but with how eLearning software producers are using >> it. >> >> > Teacher/trainer decision makers don't love the web, possibly because >> they >> > can't control it. >> >> This is mostly untrue, teachers do love the web. Occasionally you will >> find a teacher whose methods are out of date, but most commonly the issues >> lie with course curricula. >> >> I have hope that the tide is turning. Teachers/trainers have experienced >>> the difficulties in creating and maintaining their content in Flash (just >>> try changing one image used in multiple Flash files and the difficulties >>> become clear) >> >> >> Again, this boils down to being a bad Flash developer. It took me a few >> seconds to think of a way to modify an image in multiple Flash files at once >> (without interrupting their availability to users either). >> >> >>> the web generation is beginning to pierce/influence decision >>> making levels, students/employees that love the web push to learn from >>> formal resources the way they informally learn from the web, plus content >>> changes in ever decreasing time cycles which leaves little time to build >>> and >>> rebuild Flash delivered content. >> >> >> I am a student. Formal resources are about the best damn thing that >> university has provided me. Unfortunately it's (arguably) not fun or cool to >> read a programming book cover to cover, so I can see why people complain. >> Stop using the term 'love the web'. Lots of people love the web, I'm sure, >> but it doesn't mean they have the first clue what's good for it. >> >> >> The few times I have seen Flash used well and written well it's beautiful. >> It's amazing. It's like having sunshine flowing through your vains. So, do >> you blame HTML for every poorly coded website? Do you blame Flash for every >> bad use of Flash? >> >> Anyway, it seems like this entire argument would be better stated as >> "People who hate Flash because it doesn't behave in a manner identical to >> HTML, and also because it isn't HTML". >> >> - James >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >> ******************************************************************* >> > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *******************************************************************
