That's only relevant if your site has a keyword in the logo (e.g. Free Online Games), where each of the words is a form of a keyword, while if your site is called MiniClip, there is not much point in wrapping H1 around it.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, EBS Admin <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net > wrote: > The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, > the fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being > represented in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be > styled up to look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and > provide a tool to get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst > complementing the semantics, accessibility and seo requirements. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *ja...@flexewebs.com > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 15:45 > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo > is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's > brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. > > I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 > around other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > *From: *"EBS Admin" <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> > *Date: *Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100 > *To: *<wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > *Subject: *RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be > shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be > the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more > the 1 H1. > > For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, > and has a similar effect for screen readers. > > Hope this makes it a little clearer. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jason Grant > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 15:25 > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that > you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. > Every > site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on > first page of Google. > My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all > of the points I mentioned. > You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify > your reasoning behind it. > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin < > ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> wrote: > >> Jason, >> Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is >> advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make >> sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses >> mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. >> >> The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use >> multiple H1's! >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Jason Grant >> *Sent:* 16 October 2009 14:48 >> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >> *Subject:* Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG >> Digest) >> >> Tim >> To keep it really simple: >> >> Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 >> per page >> >> Hope this makes sense? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jason >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel >>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel>(video from >>> March 2009) >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant <ja...@flexewebs.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Tim, >>>> Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. >>>> >>>> However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we >>>> give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best >>>> practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. >>>> >>>> So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is >>>> not the be all and end all of guidelines. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld < >>>>> m...@langfeldesigns.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, >>>>>> there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main >>>>>> title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let's look at what the specification says; >>>>> >>>>> "A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it >>>>> introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, >>>>> to >>>>> construct a table of contents for a document automatically. >>>>> >>>>> There are six levels of headings in HTML with >>>>> H1<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1> as >>>>> the most important and >>>>> H6<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6> as >>>>> the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in >>>>> larger >>>>> fonts than less important ones." >>>>> >>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 >>>>> >>>>> Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be >>>>> only 1 per page. In fact, the example shows two being used. >>>>> >>>>> ~ Tim >>>>> >>>>> ******************************************************************* >>>>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >>>>> ******************************************************************* >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jason Grant BSc, MSc >>>> CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. >>>> www.flexewebs.com >>>> ja...@flexewebs.com >>>> +44 (0)7748 591 770 >>>> Company no.: 5587469 >>>> >>>> www.flexewebs.com/semantix >>>> www.twitter.com/flexewebs >>>> www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs >>>> >>>> ******************************************************************* >>>> >>>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >>>> ******************************************************************* >>>> >>> >>> >>> ******************************************************************* >>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >>> ******************************************************************* >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jason Grant BSc, MSc >> CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. >> www.flexewebs.com >> ja...@flexewebs.com >> +44 (0)7748 591 770 >> Company no.: 5587469 >> >> www.flexewebs.com/semantix >> www.twitter.com/flexewebs >> www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >> ******************************************************************* >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2439 - Release Date: 10/15/09 >> 20:39:00 >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >> ******************************************************************* >> > > > > -- > Jason Grant BSc, MSc > CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. > www.flexewebs.com > ja...@flexewebs.com > +44 (0)7748 591 770 > Company no.: 5587469 > > www.flexewebs.com/semantix > www.twitter.com/flexewebs > www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2439 - Release Date: 10/15/09 > 20:39:00 > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2439 - Release Date: 10/15/09 > 20:39:00 > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *******************************************************************
