Seems to me that Providers of Miniature Clips for Business is more of a tag line and not really appropriate to put in an h1 heading.
-- Brett P. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:10, EBS Admin <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net>wrote: > No but you can wrap MiniClip - Providers of Miniature Clips for Business. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jason Grant > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 16:00 > > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > That's only relevant if your site has a keyword in the logo (e.g. Free > Online Games), where each of the words is a form of a keyword, while if your > site is called MiniClip, there is not much point in wrapping H1 around it. > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, EBS Admin < > ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> wrote: > >> The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, >> the fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being >> represented in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be >> styled up to look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and >> provide a tool to get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst >> complementing the semantics, accessibility and seo requirements. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] >> *On Behalf Of *ja...@flexewebs.com >> *Sent:* 16 October 2009 15:45 >> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >> *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? >> >> Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the >> logo is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for >> it's brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. >> >> I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 >> around other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"EBS Admin" <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> >> *Date: *Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100 >> *To: *<wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> >> *Subject: *RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? >> >> Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be >> shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be >> the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more >> the 1 H1. >> >> For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the >> pages, and has a similar effect for screen readers. >> >> Hope this makes it a little clearer. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Jason Grant >> *Sent:* 16 October 2009 15:25 >> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >> *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? >> >> EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says >> that you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given >> page. Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still >> enjoys being on first page of Google. >> My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all >> of the points I mentioned. >> You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify >> your reasoning behind it. >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin < >> ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> wrote: >> >>> Jason, >>> Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is >>> advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make >>> sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses >>> mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. >>> >>> The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use >>> multiple H1's! >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] >>> *On Behalf Of *Jason Grant >>> *Sent:* 16 October 2009 14:48 >>> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >>> *Subject:* Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG >>> Digest) >>> >>> Tim >>> To keep it really simple: >>> >>> Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 >>> per page >>> >>> Hope this makes sense? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel >>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel>(video >>>> from March 2009) >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant <ja...@flexewebs.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim, >>>>> Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. >>>>> >>>>> However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we >>>>> give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best >>>>> practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. >>>>> >>>>> So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is >>>>> not the be all and end all of guidelines. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld < >>>>>> m...@langfeldesigns.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, >>>>>>> there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main >>>>>>> title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's look at what the specification says; >>>>>> >>>>>> "A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it >>>>>> introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, >>>>>> to >>>>>> construct a table of contents for a document automatically. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are six levels of headings in HTML with >>>>>> H1<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1> as >>>>>> the most important and >>>>>> H6<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6> as >>>>>> the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in >>>>>> larger >>>>>> fonts than less important ones." >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 >>>>>> >>>>>> Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be >>>>>> only 1 per page. In fact, the example shows two being used. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~ Tim >>>>>> >>>>>> ******************************************************************* >>>>>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>>>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>>>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >>>>>> ******************************************************************* >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jason Grant BSc, MSc >>>>> CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. >>>>> www.flexewebs.com >>>>> ja...@flexewebs.com >>>>> +44 (0)7748 591 770 >>>>> Company no.: 5587469 >>>>> >>>>> www.flexewebs.com/semantix >>>>> www.twitter.com/flexewebs >>>>> www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs >>>>> >>>>> ******************************************************************* >>>>> >>>>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >>>>> ******************************************************************* >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ******************************************************************* >>>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >>>> ******************************************************************* >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Grant BSc, MSc >>> CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. >>> www.flexewebs.com >>> ja...@flexewebs.com >>> +44 (0)7748 591 770 >>> Company no.: 5587469 >>> >>> www.flexewebs.com/semantix >>> www.twitter.com/flexewebs >>> www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs >>> >>> ******************************************************************* >>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >>> ******************************************************************* >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - 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