To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam filters in the search engines as you are duplicating the heading throughout the website, they should always be unique. Anyone advising to do this to boost your page's keyword relevancy simply doesn't know what they are talking about. I cant think of a single reason why you would wrap a H1 around a logo as there is no advantage to you, search engines or your visitors. Maybe if you had a business directory where each listing had its own logo and alt text of the company name then it could work there but not if there was already an H1 on the page. The only case that you could possibly use two H1s on a page is if you had a page containing two entirely different topics. But then again wouldn't you just put this content on two separate pages? If your sites theme is to write about lots of different content e.g. a general blog, then it should have a main H1 and each topic be summarised using H2's and then include a link to their own individual pages. Why is the topic starter looking for reasons for why they shouldn't do it, when they should be asking themselves what is their reason for using the H1 this way in the first place? Did they see it on some 'SEO's website and think 'they must know what they are doing so I'll copy them'? LOL Maybe they should listen to the SEO expert they've already spoken to... I would have thought it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't do it ;) Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design <http://www.munkyonline.co.uk/> http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893
_____ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of EBS Admin Sent: 16 October 2009 15:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the semantics, accessibility and seo requirements. _____ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com Sent: 16 October 2009 15:45 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device _____ From: "EBS Admin" <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100 To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more the 1 H1. For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, and has a similar effect for screen readers. Hope this makes it a little clearer. _____ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on first page of Google. My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all of the points I mentioned. You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify your reasoning behind it. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> wrote: Jason, Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use multiple H1's! _____ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest) Tim To keep it really simple: Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 per page Hope this makes sense? Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com> wrote: OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel> &feature=channel <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel> (video from March 2009) Tim On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant <ja...@flexewebs.com> wrote: Tim, Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not the be all and end all of guidelines. Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld <m...@langfeldesigns.com> wrote: ... H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. ... So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. Let's look at what the specification says; "A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically. There are six levels of headings in HTML with <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1> H1 as the most important and <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6> H6 as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in larger fonts than less important ones." <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only 1 per page. 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