Jari: Just keep doing what you're doing. As a fellow handicapped HAM, I say do what you enjoy.
I've been known to send off the occasional email to other operators who are experiencing issues with their rigs, and I do so in as helpful of a tone as I can... Some really try to fix it, and others could care less... If you know you're not a robot, then those emails mean nothing, and you can just smile and realize that the people sending those emails have nothing better to do than to bother you with meaningless messages about things they don't know anything about. Hopefully we'll get the chance to work! 73 de AI8W, Chris On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 3:32 PM Gary Hinson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tom. > > > > Yes, a robot FT8 CQer that instantly jumped to the frequencies of its > chosen callers would be a nightmare, especially if it then stayed put to > call CQ. > > > > There are still quite a few [human|robot] stations who either don’t > understand or simply disagree with split-by-default on FT8 … but month by > month ever since FT8 was released the proportion has steadily fallen. > Today, I suspect many of them are newcomers to FT8, used to > simplex-by-default on the legacy modes. [Personally, I’d welcome the > option for the auto-responder to drop simplex callers to the bottom of its > priority list, but maybe that’s just me.] > > > > Re propagation, I believe we are at the bottom of the solar cycle about > now. About a year ago I saw a report of the first new-cycle sunspot (with > a different magnetic polarity?) so hopefully we’re on the up. Now’s a good > time to get your fill of low-band DX! [In just a few years when > propagation is better and the FT8 frequencies become crowded, > auto-responding to the *weakest callers first* will make even more sense.] > > > > 73 > Gary ZL2iFB > > > > *From:* Tom Ramberg via wsjt-devel <[email protected]> > *Sent:* 04 April 2019 00:38 > *To:* WSJT software development <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Tom Ramberg <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [wsjt-devel] Someone released an Auto CQ mod - my 2 cents > > > > Hello Jari, I’m happy to see that we’ve made contact on my little > JW-expedition. These days it seems that SSB is closed from here, but a few > FT8 signals are maiking it. As far as robots are concerned, I cannot do > coding, but I wonder if the urge to have the «hold tx freq» unticked is > robotic or human? Anyway, that is the most annoying habit of all, wether > its a human or a robot. As soon as I’ve found a clear spot, you can bet on > someone either calling me on the frequency, or starts calling somebody > else. And believe me, propagation being what it is these days on 78 degrees > northern latitude, that is more than enough to make me lose a qso. If the > frequency was Clear, no qsy should be necessary (like in SSB), but here I > have to jump all the time. Gary, so much for Your point no. 4. > > > > 73 de Tom from JQ78tf > > > > Sendt fra E-post <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *Fra: *Gary Hinson <[email protected]> > *Sendt: *onsdag 3. april 2019 kl. 02:18 > *Til: *'WSJT software development' <[email protected]> > *Emne: *Re: [wsjt-devel] Someone released an Auto CQ mod - my 2 cents > > > > Hi Jari, > > > > I look forward to making contact with you some day. You’re definitely > not the only disabled DXer and, yes, you should be flattered that we can’t > readily tell as much from the far side. Amateur radio is a great leveler! > > > > So, how might we identify fully-automated/robotic FT8 stations? That’s a > good question. We could do with an amateur radio version of the Turing > test <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test>. > > > > Here are some possible *indicators* of automation/robotic FT8 operation: > > · Operating 24x7, or at least for extended periods whereas most > hams would need or choose to take breaks; > > · Operating simultaneously on several bands and/or modes – not > just CQing on repeat but making conventional QSOs in parallel, beyond SO2R; > > · Always and only using auto-sequencing with standard messages – > no friendly greetings or off-the-cuff comments and responses during or at > the end of their QSOs, easily confused by out-sequence-of and custom > messages; > > · Static audio frequency for all transmissions – no QSYing to > avoid QRM; > > · Regularly timed band-changes e.g. moving to LF at 1700z daily, > or exactly one hour before local sunset maybe; > > · Absence from DXpedition fox-n-hounds pileups – for now, at > least (and hopefully forever!); > > · Frank admissions by their operators, or evasive/dubious answers > if challenged about this. > > None of these is definitive, though, and all could be defeated if someone > was determined, competent and perverse enough to do so. In fact, technical > challenge is a driver for much of amateur radio. Mastering the technology > is highly motivational for some, even if things lose their attraction and > become boring once mastered. Further tranches of hobbyists love tinkering > with technology designed by others, or building stuff, or using it for > social reasons, or pushing back the frontiers of science, or fixing and > maintaining stuff, or collecting it, or competing with it … or whatever. > To my mind, it’s unreasonable and unrealistic to expect everyone else to > conform to our individual perspectives. Tolerance and consideration > towards others are a necessary part of the hobby since we share so much – > not least the airwaves. > > 73 > Gary ZL2iFB > > > > *From:* Jari A <[email protected]> > *Sent:* 03 April 2019 09:46 > *To:* WSJT software development <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [wsjt-devel] Someone released an Auto CQ mod - my 2 cents > > > > Hi Guys, this is OH2FQV / Jari > > > > I'm handicap operator, within my physical limitations, main thing I do at > my day time is working on 20m FT8. I dont have much else to do. I spend > most of my hours with pc and radio. I may have 50 qso's per day, even more > if theres extra activity on the band. > > > > I have had few emails to telling me to stop my illegal robot/ automated > operation on FT8. > > > > The truth: I do everything manually. I dont even use JTalert to assits. > > I'm so ilirate, that I cant do programing, or so to automate my > operations. > > > > There do are stations with automation, but I'm not one of those. > > > > I'm sorta flattered of having those comments of being machine like > operator.... > > > > I dont know, but doing mass working with stations is fun for me, as much > fun like at the fair to shot down disks (ducks) with crooked BB-gun. > Shot and ding - and make guy in the booth frustrated... > > > > Please dont get upset with me, I'm just silly old man having fun - manually > > > > Very best regards, > > > > : Jari / oh2fqv > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 9:15 PM Gary McDuffie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 31, 2019, at 17:02, Jim Shorney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The guy seems to be on the air making FT8 contacts just about every time > I turn it on.... > > Must be CO8LY (I think that’s his suffix). I see him on the air every > time I walk into the shack. > > I suspect that the Antarctic station that was active yesterday was a > robot. Why? Because from early morning to evening, his operation never > changed that I saw. He called CQ, came back to people who apparently > didn’t hear him, ran to the end of the watchdog, and immediately called CQ > again the next sequence. He never moved more than 3 cycles (Hertz for the > kids) all day. I don’t think he worked much either. I was surprised at > how many people he replied to with an r report, and didn’t complete the > QSO. He always ran the length of his watchdog though and immediately > called CQ again without moving or pausing. > > Gary - AG0N > > _______________________________________________ > wsjt-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > wsjt-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >
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