Yeah, let's argue about what constitutes a valid QSO AGAIN! SMDH On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:27 AM Russ <k2...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Bill, Larry, Iztok, others; > > > > The rules for a valid QSO have long been established. Look up and read > the "World Above 50 Mc", "What is a contact?", in QST, March/April 1953, by > Ed Tilton. Part of it says: > > > > "First the basic minimum of identification and exchange is a must. You > call. The other fellow answers. If you positively identify him, and > establish that he was coming back to you, you send a signal report. (More > on that later. ) If he gets the signal report, he then sends you one. If > you get it, you send “ R.’‘ If he gets the single letter, he also sends ‘‘ > R, ‘‘ and the QSO is over, as far as the claim for a contact is concerned. > There is no obligation to hear or send closing 73, or SK, or confirmation > of either of these items. You send the SK, of course, as the indication for > other listeners that you’re through, but you don’t have to exchange SK’s!" > > > > There is no allowance for anyone to send a report before he has copied his > own, and the calling station's call sign. > > > > 73, Russ K2TXB > > > > > > > > *From:* Bill Somerville <g4...@classdesign.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 11, 2021 10:10 AM > *To:* wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > *Subject:* Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 logging prompt > > > > Russ, > > > > the only "rules" for QSO validity I have seen specify exchange of full > callsigns and confirmation of receipt of same, along with exchange of some > piece of QSO specific information and confirmation of receipt of same. That > piece of QSO specific might be a signal report but I am pretty sure that is > not the only option and certainly not obligatory. For example there are > contests that exchange call and age, others exchange call and power, and so > on. The long established QSO formats in WSJT-X abide by these guidelines in > their various forms, particularly for weak signal working such as EME, MS, > and other scatter modes where the strictly minimum exchange may be critical > for successful QSOs in the most adverse conditions. > > > > 73 > Bill > G4WJS. > > > > On 11/05/2021 14:36, Russ wrote: > > Hello Jim. Are you saying that the rules for a complete QSO can be different > for contests vs non-contest contacts? How can that be. I am sure that every > active station who works a new grid or new country in a contest, adds that to > his station totals, and expects to get a QSL card or LOTW confirmation. To > have a contest where the rules allow contacts that are not valid for > non-contest awards makes no sense at all. > > > > 73, Russ K2TXB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com> <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 5:17 PM > > To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 logging prompt > > > > Indeed they are good contacts. W0YK is a leading contester, was part of > > getting FT4 and FT8 integrated with major RTTY contests. > > > > You guys are looking at things from the perspective of non-contesters. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > On 5/10/2021 7:34 AM, Russ wrote: > > Paul Kube wrote: > > > > 1. Answering a CQ: > > CQ WW W0YK DM97 Tx6 > > W0YK K6PO R DM12 Tx3 > > K6PO W0YK RR73 Tx4 > > 2. Tailending a QSO. K6PO has already copied W0YK’s grid. Then: > > W1AW W0YK RR73 Tx4 > > W0YK K6PO R DM12 Tx3 > > K6PO W0YK RR73 Tx4 > > 3. Tailending a QSO. K6PO has not yet copied W0YK’s grid. Then: > > W1AW W0YK RR73 Tx4 > > W0YK K6PO DM12 Tx2 > > K6PO W0YK R DM97 Tx3 > > W0YK K6PO RR73 > > > > These are NOT contacts!Contact rules specifically state that you must > > copy your call sign from your QSO partner before sending a > > report.Regardless of the fact that some misguided contest rules may > > allow ‘contacts’ in that form, those contacts would not be good for > > other awards (DXCC, VUCC, etc). > > > > Eliminating 73 – a bad idea.If I send 73 and the other guy receives it, > > then he knows it was a good contact.If I continue to send my report then > > he should know to continue sending RRR.Otherwise he may log a contact > > that was incomplete. > > > > 73, Russ K2TXB > > > _______________________________________________ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > -- Carey Fisher careyfis...@gmail.com
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