I enjoyed both, I personally like the M:N ratio of watir:selenium groups.
I think with watir we have the luxury of being smaller (as a group). I therefore think a format where we can pair up or run small workshops that give us better skills in watir (or at least aligns our thinking) is most beneficial. I also enjoyed looking over Jari's shoulder and learning more about the development side of watir, that's where watir-webdriver-performance was birthed. So maybe two tracks, one around test automation/applied watir skills, another around developing/bug-fixing/contributing to watir itself. For selenium, a much bigger group, I think the stand-and-present format is more appropriate. Workshops just don't work with 200 people. That way I get exposed to lots of different people's thinking and their approach to solving a variety of test automation problems. I can put the 'now how would I do this in watir' filter on anyway. Logistics, I think it makes sense to colocate the 2, as more than one overseas trip is a struggle. I'm also happy to help sponsor the watir component again. Regards, -- Tim On Saturday, 22 October 2011 at 9:58 PM, Alister Scott wrote: > I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It was > something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. > > I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more > integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems however > that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir > track (https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/seconf/f2IddaqKpfc) on the > SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from Google: > > > "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can > > certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > > So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything Watir > related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding who > the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there were > no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. > > The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in London, > which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, Jari > etc.) > > But... > > I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less Watir > specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate than London!) > > I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early next > year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. Here's > some of my ideas: > > Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but primarily > focused on Watir/WebDriver > Specification by Example a key theme > ~ 100 attendees > Fairly cheap entry > In Austin > In Feb-March 2012 > Sponsors similar to Watir Day > Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, challenges > and competitions > I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, > website, timeslots, speakers etc. > > The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are unable > to attend due to distance/cost. > > Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid that > period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. > > Thoughts? > > Cheers, > Alister > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia > Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > Blog: http://watirmelon.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > > "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and > more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <[email protected] > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I > > think we need to meet again next year. > > > > We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or we > > could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Bret > > > > -- > > Bret Pettichord > > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com (http://www.watir.com) > > > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com (http://www.testingwithvision.com) > > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord (http://www.twitter.com/bpettichord) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wtr-development mailing list > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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