Hey Paul, thank you for your comment. That was a great statement! Actually the first one where I didn't feel like I am the idiot.
I have a mail of Heinz here saying that VCS (read only) access is the "next thing" - that's what he promised on July 15th. Taking that statement seriously, I told my clients and coworkers: I have talked to the x2go project leader and we will have GIT access very soon, you should definitely have some money ready to fund some work on x2go that is either done by me or by Heinz and Alex themselves. Can you understand that it is totally embarassing for me? Heinz could have said at this time: No, Jörg, we won't accept contributions in the new feature - fork it, make something own, find another project. I am now the complete idiot: My client wants to roll out a testing environment / pilot project if it work out to provide a set of educational and standard software to all schools in the state through x2go. Nothing has been done and I am the stupid one who is now blamed because I trusted Heinz' word! In my opinion, a promise should only be given, if you can and want to hold it. How can collaboration work, if you don't trust people? I cannot understand that so many people on this list say: Go away, they are doing this in their spare time, they a) do not need to hold their promises (setting up VCS takes 2 minutes, so not really a BIG promise that's hard to fullfill) and b) can simply ignore GPL unless they publish the code at some time when they are not so busy. You are all right and it's great that Alex and Heinz have done a lot of work for us - but that doesn't mean they are allowed to bring others in trouble and waste their time because of false promises! And that does not mean that it is okay to wait until others do all the work again because they are frustrated as hell by not being taken seriously! Play with open cards please! Thanks, JÖrg Am Donnerstag, den 23.09.2010, 18:56 +0200 schrieb Paul Menzel: > Am Donnerstag, den 23.09.2010, 12:25 -0400 schrieb John A. Sullivan III: > > On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 11:46 -0400, R P Herrold wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Jörg Sawatzki wrote: > > > > > > > As their responsiveness is very slow, they'll either miss the deadline > > > > or they don't want to bother a lawyer again to get the forms correctly > > > > filled out. :) > > > > > > > > The failure of this project is that these guys do not think about the > > > > > > Jörg: > > > > > > Let me be direct. I understand it -- you don't like the > > > project management choices. You would do it differently. > > > You _are_ doing it differently for your customers > > > > > > Please take content of this type somewhere else, as your > > > commercial interest makes your 'rants' suspiciously tainted to > > > me > > > > > > It is simply inappropriate and rude to eat at a free > > > restaurant in the honored guest private dining room, and then > > > loudly complain that the portions were too small, and did not > > > taste good > > > > > > Take your complaints outside > > > > Thank you, Russ. For those who do not know, Russ has more experience > > working on large open source projects than most of us combined. > > Reference http://planet.centos.org/ > > Although I do not agree with Jörg getting personal I, like others, can > understand the frustration of Jörg and probably his last message with > the legal threats (thread GPL violations) are his desperate effort to > change that. > > But Russ misses the point in my opinion. Apart from that commercial > interests are totally valid and a lot of people have already argued that > Jörg’s point of view is legally totally correct, it is not clear for me > why Heinz and Oleksandr do not except any help. They stated several > times, that they are short in time. But they did not accept any help > offer by Jörg for example. > > In my opinion it is unfair and misleading to the community, because > people do plan their road map according to those statements. I do not > know the reason. But if Heinz and Oleksandr are afraid that they could > loose control over the project or do not want to share the burden, they > should state it clearly and people can draw their own conclusions from > their on. > > I definitely hope that this thread is not going to be any longer until > Heinz is back from vacation. I do thank Heinz and Oleksandr for their > work and support and I do hope that the X2go “community” will settle > this argument and will work together in the future as stated in several > messages to the list. > > Heinz and Oleksandr, if you need help with those legal issues I guess > there are a lot of people out here who can give you advise and support > you. Just publish that letter from that other company and go open with > that. > > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > X2go-dev mailing list > X2go-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/x2go-dev _______________________________________________ X2go-dev mailing list X2go-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/x2go-dev
