Comrade Domza, Can you get the opening speech of Cde JZ that he delivered in the summit. I must also say to comrades that he stayed in that summit for the duration of the summit.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:10 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Cdes > > Ngiyabonga Cde Domza ngokudeal ngale chap umasala sizakuphumula manje. > > Cde Gina can you be so kind and make the speech availaible to the forum if > you have it electronically. > > Sharp > > > > My dear comrades, > > > > I would apprciate if comrades can get the speech of the ANC President > when > > he opened the Alliance Summit in Esselen Park recently. The alliance > > summit > > declaration should be making comrades to relax about whether COSATU and > > SACP > > can influence the ANC in the current conjucture. > > > > The "continuity and change" language after the summit means a lot about > > the > > influence of alliance partners. > > > > Comradely, > > > > Cedric Gina. > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:25 PM, sibusiso Mchunu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> i think, the decisions of the Alliance are not automatic the decisions > >> of > >> the ANC, but what we should appreciate is the space for engagement > >> unlike > >> before whereby SACP and COSATU views were not welcome. > >> > >> just like in the POA (manifesto) alliance meet but the final output is > >> under the ANC, only cdes who contributed (Alliance) will be able to see > >> and > >> say the manifesto is ours, but under the ANC, and remember that ANC is > >> an > >> independent organization. > >> so after the Alliance meeting, the decisions will be tabled at the ANC > >> meeting and should they win, it will be an ANC decision. just like the > >> recall of the former president, COSATU and SACP made the call long > >> before > >> the ANC but finally the ANC acted not because SACP/COSATU said so but > >> the > >> views were tabled at the ANC-NEC and the decision was made and > >> implemented. > >> > >> so Cde dont worry the ANC president is still correct and remember he is > >> not > >> a spokesperson of the Alliance. > >> > >> Amandla > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Cdes > >>> > >>> I may run a risk of committing an error of a fact, either because I may > >>> have misheard the president or rather did not understand him in > >>> entirety.A > >>> matter relating to a direction taken by the ANC as observed by the > >>> outside > >>> world was raised, that the ANC was seen as leaning towards the left > >>> with > >>> both the SACP and COSATU having greater influence on policy direction > >>> of > >>> the ANC. > >>> > >>> In response the President said that the two alliance partners were not > >>> and > >>> will not influence the policies of the ANC, to do not vote on such > >>> matters, they are just observers. What do we make out of this statement > >>> comrades? it is a very loaded statements, I say this because under TM's > >>> regime the main complaint from the alliance partners was that of being > >>> left out of decision making process and lack of consultation. > >>> > >>> I know that the relations have been improved in the alliance post > >>> polokwane, but am very disturbed if consultation and other meetings of > >>> the > >>> alliance will yield no concrete results for other partners. What would > >>> be > >>> the value of consultation if recommendations are not being taken? I > >>> further do understand that the ANC has a choice to accept or reject the > >>> recommendation of other alliance partners, but is more problematic if > >>> such > >>> remains a casting stone that condemns them to becoming weaker arms in > >>> an > >>> alliance. > >>> > >>> Educate me comrades... > >>> > >>> Tshego George > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------- > >>> South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
