[YCLSA Discussion] Lead us not into temptation!

[Mduduzi H Vilakazi]

Cde Nndwamato,   I appreciate your highly informative "synthesis". I have learnt a lot from your response and you have correctly clarified me on a number of issues that I have raised. However, your unfounded inferences on the part of how I became a member of the TUT SRC has somehow damaged the well authored response.   Your input has information that did not come to my attention. I believe you should clarify me and the students of this Communists University on my imposition to the SRC by the NEC of SASCO because there was an "objective that needed to be fulfilled". Such a statement is defamatory and do not believe fits in this forum.   This has however not made me to acknowledge some corrections you have made to my antithesis. I think you should tolerate other people's incorrect information and correct it as such than to write a high spirited response which ultimately fabricates a lie about people who have made inputs.   If you can go back to the antithesis I made you should consider the words I used such as "Should" or "May" so that you get the context of the meaning of certain sentences. Maybe the emotions that comes with the response would have not arose.   Amandla Cabane!!   >>> "Nndwamato Mutshidza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/11/2008 14:36 >>> Mdu, Please stop insulting us who are members of the ANC. We are very clear of who is elected to the NEC and the fact that former Presidents by Virtue of  the position they held they are Ex-Officio. Maybe you should consult the ANC to get this clarity or its website will tell you about the role of Mbeki and Madiba. You see for Thabo Mbeki to abscond and not attend NEC meeting does not makes him immune from decisions of the NEC taken in his absent. Please Mdu do not do like your former cdes does of selective reference, when you read the constitution of the ANC you should read it in totality and you will understand it well and it will guide you on the character of ANC cadres than this commonsense approach of your. On issues of open letters to communicate to the Structures of the ANC. Lets stop pretending here, the NEC sent communique to the relevant structure on the start of electioneering. Further the President gathered us in Tshwane and communicate the need for all of us to be organisers in our own right. Unless you tend to be this arm chair critic who does not participate on the Branches Activities of the ANC, you should just keep quiete. The communication channel are formalised in the ANC, the ANC has never been a liberal and federal organisation, where in line of command are not controlled. You see my leader there is no excuse in defying line of command and think you are more important than any one. For you eductaion as well the ANC never leaked the content of the Mbeki letter and as such there was no need for the President of the ANC to respond to this glorification or monopoly of understand the ANC better than others. I find it very interesting that among those he mention to have come into contact and work with are cdes he has displayed un-human character towards them and when it suits him he tell us that they will be worried for the course we are embarking on. Lets refresh your memory, towards Polokwane Cde Nomzamo Madikizela-Mandela offers to mediate this conflict between him and Zuma. She went to Luthuli house and only met Zuma and then went to Union House and was not able to meet Mbeki and he has the guts to praise sing her when its suits him? What opportunistic. Further I do not see a point Chris Hani would have agreed to the same way Thabo, Terror and those Pahad Borthers and Cousin has run the ANC in the past 10 years. Then lets not be fooled or be viewed as if we are homogenious and could just continue to accept things as they are. Change has to happen and when it happen things no longer looks the same. On leadership leading (Democratic-Centralism) I do not know what do you mean when you say leaders portray contrary views to that of the masses? My take is that we gave the leadership responsibilities as enshrined in the Constitution and other policy document of the ANC to guide this ship forward. Hence at Policy Conference, NGC's and National Conferences, the same leaders are the one who are accountable for the performance of the movement. The ANC is not a mob-justice organisation, wherein you do as you wish. There are procedure on dealing with any members issue. The BEC is the starting point and if cannot be resolved there it will be escalated until it reach the NEC or up to Conference. You see what you term antithesis against us seems to be antithesis against your liberal view. In you branch, if you do have one its not you who take a fall for under-performances but those democratically elected and you chances will come and you will see  this point. However it come to my mind that, Mdu you could not want to raise this liberal view because you have lead in the other structure wherein you were deployed based on the principle of democratic-centralism. If you do not believe in this concept, why are you still a member of the ANC if you are one? On Friendship Yes we find it strange that you become a friend to people who are planning the demise of the organisation you so dearly love. What is this convenience home-coming. The question you should ask is whether the ANC should continue to have people who will want to be close to the leadership because they want favours? If you read the oath which I took and I hope you did too, is that we do not expect any favour or other material gains. Hence in you antithesis you should ask why do deployees resign because a particular leader is no longer a leader? What precedent does this set. Does this means when Zuma become head of the State those he leads in Government will leave with him? The ANC is for all of us and this is what we are trying to correct, Your loyalty should be to the ANC and not to Jacob Zuma, Kgalema, Mbete or other former leaders. On carrying out the ANC task We are going to re-educate you about the ANC, unlike you shadow exposure to leadership through PR System of SRC at TUT, wherein you were imposed to the membership by the NEC of SASCO. We all respected that within the principle of Democratic-Centralism and respected the view that there was an objective that needed to be fulfilled. As to whether that was achieved is another question for another day? The ANC like a leader of the Alliance operate in the same principle of identifying activities that are of National importance and deploy us to carry those task without questioning. The reason why we carry then happily is because we have been fully cooked and do not seek attention where there is no need. We are all as loyal and dedicated members of the ANC expected to campaign, defend passionately and even recruit for our beloved-ANC. We will continue to guard its interest against people like you are opportunistic in nature. Towards a land slide 2009 Victory! Long Live the ANC Long Live Long Live SACP Long Live Long Live Cosatu Long Live Long Live ANCYL Long Live Long Live ANCWL Long Live Long Live Veteran League Long Live Long Live SANCO Long Live >>> "Mduduzi H Vilakazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008/11/05 01:06 PM >>> Cde Lucky, et al, I have read your response to Cde Funky and found some statements misleading. I, therefore, concluded that your response missed points more than that of Cde Funky. Let me begin with my antithesis of your thesis to Cde Funky. I believe that the letter written to the ANC President, Cde JZ by Cde TM was confidential and not for discussion in any ANC platform. The contents of the letter was disclosed by Cde JZ to the Secretary General of the ANC, Cde Gwede who subsequently informed the public on certain stanzas of the letter, hence the release of the letter to clarify the public on the contents as partially quoted by the SG. For you information, I do not subscribe to the Open letter syndicate for which Lekota, Kaizer and others subscribe. However, I believe that formalizing communication in the revolution dates way back. Karl Marx, Engels and others communicated through letters. In the ANC, vertical and horizontal communication are communicated through letters and reports. Your question about "since when did we develop the culture of writing letters to the leadership of the ANC" is misleading. Having access to the leadership of the ANC by who so ever should not be translated that communication of concerns between leaders cannot be formalized. Availability of leadership of the ANC and/or the former leader during this period is another, so letters are but some of the ways to access leadership. Being on record about availability for any task should not substitute the formal communication between the ANC and its members. Even branches receive communiques from upper structures regarding certain activities that should be carried out. Cde TM should have been informed of the tasks that the ANC want him to execute. It is not true that Cde TM is a member of the ANC NWC/NEC. What is true is that the NEC/NWC through the Secretary General can extend an invitation to anyone who can be of substance to attend any of the National structures. Even deployees of the ANC in cabinet no longer sits in NEC meetings provided they were directly elected in congresses as members or were coopted as per the constitution of the ANC. I do not know of any resignation or termination of Cde TM's in the ANC. Please provide us with such details. Isn't he the member of the ANC. If he is, why do you create a perception that TM might have left or intends to live the organization. Your last bullet preempts that TM might feel ill-treated in the ANC and decided to jump ship. I do not believe that friendship of members of the ANC should be limited to members of the ANC. His spending time with Shilowa as the organizer of the convention does not mean he subscribe to the initiative. When you were in Soshanguve, you had friends from PASMA and other students political organizations. Can this be interpreted as your subscription to the policies and principles of such structures. Even if leadership is democratically elected, it is membership that should be vigilant because, if not, the democratically elected leadership may operate contrary to the mandate given by the very same masses who elected them. I, therefore, do not believe that leaders should be defended even if they misrepresent the plight of the majority. Of late, leaders spoke on our behalf contrary to the belief of the majority, what shall ne do in such an instant. I hope that my antithesis will be engaged so that we arrive at a synthesis. Amandla!! Mduduzi Herman Vilakazi South Africa, Mpumalanga, Nelspruit Pienaar-Msogwaba Trust >> LUCKY MASUKU [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/11/2008 09:33 >> ( mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ) Cde Funky I honestly think you are missing the point here, while i fully agree with you that Cde TM is one of the most outstanding cadre within our movement and none among us can take away that fact from him. I think we need to be honest when dealing with this matters, we have the responsibilty of ensuring that whatever that are advancing, it must be in the interest of the unity of the movement. Our beloved movement has indeed in the past years of its existence faced with complex and dynamic issue including the one of break-away. I think the assessment or analysis that Cde Kaizer is raising is indeed informed by the behaviour of our outstanding former President. * Cde Funky since when did we developed the culture of writing letter to the leadership of the ANC, worst part is that the Former President is part of the NEC and the NWC by virtue of being the a former president of our movement. * I think the cde has more access than anyone in this forum to meet with the leadership of the ANC and raiesed his dissatisfaction within the movement This message and any attachments relating to official business of the Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG) is proprietary to the MPG and intended for the original addressee only. The message may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. If you receive this message in error, please notify the original sender immediately and destroy the original message. 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