Are you trying to suggest that this forum is for intellectuals only? I
read a lot of contributions here that have a lot of grammatical errors,
but I still get the message cadres are trying to rely. Don't try to hold
us in the forum hostage to petty English superiority. This is a YCL
forum for the poor and the working class, don't blame us for the lack of
advanced education that you may have had, blame the apartheid regime.
Allow us the freedom to express ourselves anyhow we can.

 

________________________________

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sabelo gina
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fw: The Menshevisation Of The Party

 

Maqabane,

 

It would be nice to have a contribution with fewer spelling mistakes,
given the fact that computers have a tool to do this. This might sound
like is a minor issue but it becomes very hard to read the whole
contribution.

 

Sabelo

2008/12/11 sithembewena tsembeyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dear comdrate Alex yes I am not hiding my identity in any case we all
participate in this furom for the love of the revolution and the party,
stop being idiological concubine and deal with the discusion not me I am
who I say I am all the way otherwise or so.In any case since you were
never informed about the difference between activists and
revolutionaries, I think now is the time that you should be given a
brief political lesson. It is poeple like you who do not care about the
overall wellbeing of the overwhelming majority who in the South African
case are the working class, who will never know that personalities are a
fregment of our revolution. I choose to be a BOLSHEVIK becoz
historically they are the ones who refuse to alline themselves with the
Menshevik position that was in favour of the rassian petty Bourgoisie at
the expence of the working class, hance the Rassian revolution took
place in 1917. it is clear to me that you are not awear that communist
should not alline themselfs or seek to advance the interest of the enemy
class. name calling and intimidations are stratergies and tecticks of
the petty Bourgoisie, so if you inspire to be a Maxist-Lenenist which
you are not, you should know that I cant present myself as an individual
becouse I do not have an interest of my own separate from that of the
working class.Activists are found in defferent forms even those that
actively took part in advancing the Impirialist agenda, have got the
right to pronounce themselves as activists. but revolutionaries are
those who should change the world since philosophers have already
interprited it. Given time you`ll grow to learn that there is nothing
like freedom of expresion in the SACP. When Caders like Mazibuko Jara
were trying to provoke a discusion in the party by asking whearther "is
our fleg RED  or JZ"  he was victimised but again it is scientifically
proven that the are those who are intolarent to descending views within
the party proof of that was the first suspention of Phillip Dextor who
was trying to provoke discussion. So if any one was to refrain from
cowardise that person should be you, come out in the open and announce
your participation in the cooked alligations that lead to the suspension
of the six caders. Your idioligical imatuarity made you not to have
faith in constititional process of the party. The alligations about the
six caders were suposed to be procidurally been raised with the PWC in
Gauteng but since your intention did not have anything to do with
principle and loyalty you lost faith in the PWC and the PEC after
realising that your alligations had no substance, for your information
we know you owe your provincial Secritaraet position to some in the
CC.lastly I think you should refrain from being somebodies
fandamentalist and begin to take working class seriosely.Socialisim is
the Future.

 

 



--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Alex M. Mashilo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

        From: Alex M. Mashilo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fw: The Menshevisation Of The
Party
        To: [email protected]
        Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:39 AM 

         

        The cowards who mask themselves behind pseudonyms in an
operation to discredit decisions from the SACP Central Committee among
others by way of trying to turn the YCL forum as a platform of
expressing feelings rather than objective engagements are not only
wasting their time and energy, they are also interrupting our schedules
unnecessarily so.      

         

        We shall also not be threatened by an adoption of revolutionary
names to advance counter-revolutionary, anti-communist agendas. As
Marxists-Leninists we relate to both persons and formations not from
what they say of themselves, but from clarity between that and what they
really are and do in practice. We are not obsessed with appearances. We
pass over from appearance to essence in every name used, situation
whatsoever.    

        The writer below sounds to be having knowledge that her/his own
activities are incompatible with the Party principles. Her/His stories
written bellow are evidence that s/he must appear before the SACP
Disciplinary process, which he avoids by using a pseudonym masquerading
as a Bolshevik, WHICH S/HE IS CLEARLY NOT.    

        Lastly, any comrades facing charges in the Party are presumed
innocent, until found otherwise after a due, credible process. I'm
certain that the Central Committee Disciplinary Committee has no reason
in principle to refuse any person to give evidence for or against any
charges on any accused appearing before it. BUT, SUCH WITNESSES MUST
BREAK FROM COWARDICE, BE THEMSELVES AND USE THEIR REAL NAMES; THEY ARE
FREE TO APPEAR ANYWHERE AS THEY REALLY ARE. That is part of the freedom
of expression fought for by our Party which was banned in 1950 under the
Suppression of Communism Act. 

        Truly, 

        Mashilo, Alex Mohubetswane 

          

          

        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
        From: sithembewena tsembeyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        Date: 2008/12/8
        Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fw: The Menshevisation Of The Party
        To: 



--- On Mon, 12/8/08, sithembewena tsembeyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

From: sithembewena tsembeyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The Menshevisation Of The Party
To: "Dominic Tweedie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008 , 4:56 AM 

The resent suspension of Zico Bolshevik Tamela and other progressive
caders of the party from the Bolshevik province of Gauteng is a clear
indication intolerance and stalinisim within the party, We will not be
surprised to see further suspension of other Bolshevik leaders in the
province or the disbanding of Gauteng PEC, as Gauteng has always been
the voice of reason with in the party.

 

Some within the CC are beholding grudges with cders, Especially those
that ideologically pro founded them, Sometime last year in the ACC the
then provincial Secretary of the Party Cader Vishwas Satgar was insulted
and attacked in an uncommunist manner, to make matters worse those who
insulted Cader Vish went to an extend of attiring racist remarks to the
fallow comrade.

 

All these uncomradely attacks took  place took place in the presences of
the GS, and entire CC, yet failed to protect the cader, Simply becoz it
was advancing a ceirtain agenda of those who claim to be the
representatives of the working class, Whilest in reality they are
representing their personal interests.

 

The partys Central Commitee members seem to have forgoten, the fact that
communist caders are the most advanced and resolute section of the
working class, and tha they do not have an interest of their own
separate from that of the working class. Suspending Bolsheviks caders
like Ziko, Tengo, and the others sugests that the is a tendency or a
move by those that are financially comfortable within the party to
transform the SACP into a permanent socialst desk of the ANC.

  

These susupended Bolsheviks are possing as threat to the lumpent
bourgoiesie that are curently possing as representatives of the working
class, whilest they are pure capitalist at haert and agents of the
impirialist agenda. Futher more these Bolsheviks are suspended for
advancing a maxist leninist concept. A truely communist concept that
seeks to advance working class agenda of over throwing the  bourgoie
suprimacy. These Bolsheviks consistancy on the state power question is a
thorn in ass of the  bourgoiesie and their consistancy irritates the
bourgoiesie, therefore the lumpent  bourgoiesie with in party who are
also the drivers of pro-impirialist agenda decided to

 suspend these Bolshevik. The CC might succeed in destroying these
classicall caders, as they are sinoir to other within the CC, but will
have to note that the might of the working class has never been
defeated. History will JUDGE those THUGS who are busy triying to destroy
the communist party in a brutal way. If fighting for the dictatorship of
the proletariat is a crime in the communist party I therefore on behalf
of these BOLSHEVIKS  plead guilty as charged, 

 

As caders from the bolshevic province we are tampted to believe that
this susupention of Cde Zico and the others was triggered by the firm
and uncompromising stand of these true representatives of the working
class.  

 

PATRIA O MUERTE!!

VENCEREMOS

 

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dominic Tweedie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

        From: Dominic Tweedie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        Subject: RE: Gauteng on th right path
        To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Date: Friday, December 5, 2008 , 12:18 AM 

        Dear Cde Sithembewena,

         

        Zico's cronies got me suspended from the branch last year and
wanted to chuck me out of the Party. 

          

        The year before that, it was Vishwas Satgar who tried to have me
thrown out. 

          

        I have known Zico for many years. When he was suspended from
SATAWU I did not shun him. Little did I know that he would try to work
the same suspension business on me. 

          

        When Dinga was reinstated by NUMSA, I rejoiced, even though
Dinga had been Zico's chief prosecutor against me last year. 

          

        This time it's different. These guys are accused of using their
positions in the  Party to establish another party, just like Mluleki
George and the others did in the ANC. 

          

        The suspension is done by the CC. The disciplinary process will
be done properly. You have to accept it, comrade, until the process is
complete. 

          

        My advice to you is: Do not lobby in this way for Zico and the
others. Do not make allegations of ulterior motives the way you have
done in this message to me.   

          

        Allow the constitutional process to go through. 

          

        With  best wishes, 

          

        Dominic. 

          

          

          

        From: sithembewena tsembeyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: 05 December 2008 09:58 AM
        To: Dominic Tweedie
        Subject: Gauteng on th right path

          

Dominic I know over the years we have seen Gauteng being a victim of
secumstances but we as the constitiance of this movement have to say it
clearly, I know that we have seen it bileteraly that it was a plan of
other fuctions that after the leadership of Ziko and Nkosi, they were
not wanted, this says it clearly that some within the movement donot
respect the democratic process of the party in the province, Ziko and
Nkosi have done all its worth to keep the party alive in the province,
yet they are being dealth with, We have seen Nkosi being a true
communist, one that will stand for the libaration and betterness of the
poor and the working class, is this not what the party stand for.

 

I know I might today been seen as a reactionary, but to the true esence
of the matter we have no solid grounds to deal with the privincial
leadership, infact we should be looking closely how to assist the
province to do futher better for is people, I have not mailed you to
cource conflict nor vistimisation of any of the leaders, the fact is you
need to open up clearly so and see what damage you may course in dealing
with these province, we have seen things unfolding and it is of true
believe that non of any other province has performed to the idialogy of
socialist than the Gauteng comministly so.

 

Ziko might have been suspended due to some inconcivety that I might not
know, but for the fect that the provincial chair is been ploted against
I find it desterbing for the party as a whole, and we can not say that
one who has on open and indipenden view of the status core of the party
must be dealth with in any case we have seen the best leader and
preferably Jerremy can agree too.

 

Dominic I know you have been the greates writer of the communiist
sociaty but know you need to over center the counter revolutionary that
might be under way especially when it comes to dealing with
Nkosiphendule the provincial Chair.

 

Hoping you will find this in order

         








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