COMRADES you know comrades i really do not know why does comrade SASCO member joined this forum. however i can not question his reasons because he is the only one who knows the honest reasons why he joined. You see chief you always fail to contribute when progressive discussions are taking place in this forum and always wait till there is a factionalist argument then you come out of your cucune and atter statements that make me take you as a factionalist that is still held up on a leardership battle of Umthatha.
i for one know comrade Khaye and respect him i learned a lot from him and continue to learn from him and he is a good comrade and he has made a number of contributions when we were both members of SASCO and the comrade has a right to speak up on failures of the previous leardership of SASCO so that even the new one can know that it is being observed how it perfoms. in anyway chief i really do not know what barometter you used to really declare Khaye a strange communist. I think comrades we really have to discuss progressive issues in this forum and start to teach each other progressively about politics and the broader communist agenda. communist regards Njabulo "Mzimela" Nzuza ________________________________ From: "Sibiya, Sibusisiwe" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:23:12 AM Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Khaye Nkwanyana a strange "Young Communist" Dear SASCO MEMBER You are indeed a bitter individual; your inputs in this forum are constantly centered on the clear defeat of your CLIQUE in Umthatha. I for one am grossly fatigued by your factionalist politics and hope that in the near future you will be able to engage on issues rather than personalities. I was not there at the funeral, if indeed your allegations are true then I may agree with you that the platform may not have been an opportune place to discuss such – provided that it was done in the manner in which you allege. In essence Com, this forum should not be abused by you to lambaste the leadership of your organisation SASCO – This is the second time that you have subjected us to your ranting, my advice to you if you want to be heard and understood is to engage with fundamentals and principles. Go back to SASCO structures and engage your leadership and convince those around you of their ability or in ability to advance the views and interests of students, in this whole drivel below – you have not substantiated ONE point as to why Cde Khaye was speaking lies. Please Comrade…Assist us by assisting yourself!! ________________________________ From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sasco member Sent: 26 January 2009 12:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Khaye Nkwanyana a strange "Young Communist" Dear Members When do lies become truth? The answer maybe simple; when one tries to deceive his/her audience. Perhaps that may be the easiest and simplest way to answer the question and I hasten to add, describe the appalling conduct of a supposed "young communist" high up in the hierarchy of the Young Communist League (YCL). I refer in this case; the deceitful messages conveyed to an innocent mourning audience at the funeral of the late SASCO DSG Kgomoco Mogoere this Saturday in Bloemfontein . May his soul rest in peace! The other way to respond to this question is to explain for the benefit of those who were not part of the innocent audience and those who were, what in one's view is truth. Truth is established when one can support his /her claims with verified material facts and evidence. For instance, if I say: in order for a human being to be certified dead, he/she must cease to breath, the heart must stop functioning and the brain must also stop, then I need to prove that indeed when such happens to a human body, the person is indeed dead. But it cannot be truth simply because I say so. If I tell the truth I must back up my claims; lest my statements be regarded by the critical listener as pure hot hot air! Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist", went on to the podium like a spirited high priest overwhelmed by the holy ghost to tell lies about previous leadership collectives of SASCO. Instead of maximally using the platform to celebrate the fallen comrade and teach people about important things he chose to do the opposite: He chose lies instead of truth! Mr Nkwanyana "Young Communist" who lies not for the first time, said many infactual things about the previous leadership collectives of SASCO before the current one as elected in Umthatha last year. Among other incorrect and infactual things in quite a strange manner at the wrong time. Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" says: "the previous leadership collectives of SASCO did not serve SASCO well, that when it was at helm of the organisation SASCO ceased to be what it used to be, each time when SASCO issued a media statement people would panic because wrong things would be said" and he concludes by making a comparison that "the current leadership is the correct one, one that Kgomotso fought to bring into office and I'm certain that this leadership will lead us well". This is what Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" says. In what way did the previous leadership collectives fail or not serve SASCO well? In what way did SASCO change from what it used to be, in fact what was it like in the past? Which media statement/s and in what context did SASCO get misrepresented during those times? In what way is the current leadership different from previous ones? Mr Nkwanyana does not say further than to believe in his mind that because he says it, then it so. And as the audience we are left with the impression that like the priest in the church, because he says Jesus is coming then indeed we must wait for Him because indeed the priest says He is coming! In my view the lies of Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" are just what they are: lies. No matter how many times they may be repeated or heard, they wont transform into truths. He missed a grand opportunity of attracting the young people in the audience with ideas about socialism so that they may join the YCL and rather he chose to feed them with lies and lies about another organisation of which he claims to be a former member of. This was extremely reckless and factional. To present the current leadership of SASCO before its membership as the "correct" one compared to the previous leadership collectives is to divide SASCO. Nothing can be so dispicable as to hear another PYA leader speak so recklessly and so factionally about a sister organisation. Instead of taking part constructively in the life and development of SASCO as an organisation, he chooses to participate factionally by announcing publicly incorrect things at the wrong time. Critique and critical thinking is encouraged and most welcome but its content and form must equally match the ambition of the speaker or author. One must not present untruths as truth. One must not claim to know when he does not know. One must search for truth in order to speak the truth and speak with authority. For now, Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" does not satisfy the slightest test for verification of what he said. He scores a shameful zero. Mr Nwanyana the "Young Communist" typical of a coward, chose a funeral platform wherein debates are taboo to tell the lies. He knew very well that nobody could respond for the very fact that it would be strange to debate in a funeral. Perhaps Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" will next time choose an appropriate platform to raise his fictitious views. But I wonder if anyone will be listening since he has proven to be a liar more than once. When do lies become truth? Could it be that just like in the case of Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" the lies become truth when someone intends to deceive? Leaders must stop abusing their positions of privilege! Maybe! SASCO Member ***************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose the e-mail or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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