Com I was tempted not to respond to your email but I think I have every right to respond to issues as you have correctly done so. If you read my submission attentively you will notice that I am not expelling anyone from this forum neither am I agreeing or disagreeing with the assertions of "sasco member" at any point. In fact I said that if indeed events unfolded in the manner and context that the comrade alleges then I may be inclined to agree that the platform was inappropriate to discuss such, but as. My submission is that the cadre should raise his point without launching an attack on individuals.
The point of this forum is not to HOWL but rather to convince us of his views...I doubt anyone here holds the monopoly on views of SASCO leadership (previous and otherwise) but you will excuse me if I am not inclined to read endless rhetoric about Clique politics of SASCO from one "SASCO member". Chief if you want to engage on whether the SASCO leadership before Umtata was relevant or not then we can do that, but I for one will not be roped into a discussion on ANY personalities - it is highly unprincipled and divisive. So really com, review peoples submissions before you Giraffe and want to randomly chow for no reason what so ever - the fundamental issue is that this forum will not be abused by people with scores to settle. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mduduzi H Vilakazi Sent: 27 January 2009 12:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Is the space really closed for engagements? Dear Cadres! This letter refers to the discussion around comrade Khaye Nkwanyana. I want to refrain from discussing personalities and engage the issues that arise from the discussion. Sibusisiwe, Njabulo, Sandile and the energetic Kaizer you all sound bitter than the faceless sasco member who hides his/her identity due to cowardice. Your responses to the headless sasco member exposes your one size-fit-all approach to this matter. The main issue at hand is whether all previous SASCO leadership collectives since the 6th of September 1991 to the Mthatha Conference did not serve SASCO well. It does not matter whether the toothless sasco member is true or whether Khaye raised such issues but the issue is before us to discuss. What yardstic can we use to determine the performance of previous sasco membership. Will the congress resolutions juxtaposed with the organizational and political reports in the following conference be enough to determine perfomance? Were we in SASCO between 1991 and 2000 to such an extent that we can talk about the behaviour of the leadership then? The other issue that pops in is the question of subscription to the YCL-discussion forum. When I subscribed nothing more than my e-mail address was needed. I just added my willingness to participate in the forum. Cde Kaizer and others who dismisses other subscribers in the forum should clarify us where did they get that mandate. What requirements of subscription is required other than an e-mail address. Their unwillingness to tolerate views that they do not share gives one an understanding that they lack political maturity. The only way they can get their "yes" men and "yes" women is to dismiss those who contest their views. I think, I should strongly lash at SASCO member who raise issues without providing his/her identity. Cde Matimba wrote at the end his name because his address (unlike ours) does not provide the details. Cde Sascomember shall learn from the likes of comrade Matimba. The headless-chicken approach is a political cowardice. It makes me to believe that he/she is the extreme liar without doubt. He/she has first and foremost lied about his identity while giving names of those he/she draws reference from. However, this forum does not belong to Kaizer Mohau, Sibusisiwe Sibiya, Njabulo Nzuza and Sandile Dayi. If they cannot engage issues, they must refrain fro expelling people from this forum, we need all voices. This forum teaches all of us, how will we learn if we are chased away by the likes of Sandile and them. Let the debates continue... This message and any attachments relating to official business of the Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG) is proprietary to the MPG and intended for the original addressee only. The message may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. 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