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without castigating an individual for views held. I though must state that I am opposed to any person who will arrogate to himself a fundamental power of clarity and thus run a risk of becoming a self proclaimed paragon of knowledge! In his article; Cde Mdu attempt to defend a man whose course is pathetic. verily more pathetic that Cde Mdu is defending an unknown man. Perhaps the man would have been afforded some levels of decency had he came out to surface. Righteousness is when a man propagates something and live by its principles, sasco member is giving us a lecture on separating the Truth from lies and thus arbores Cde Khaye for the apparent lies. sasco member has long waved the right and authority to speak against lies telling, because he for oneself lives in a shameful lies by hiding his identity and thus use it as a ploy to outwit those of us who despite our history come to surface to be critiqued for both our current views and those that we held previously. I want to underscore that I listened to the insightful address of Cde khaye in the funeral and was part of those who continued clapping hands,ululating and nodding in concession to what he was saying. This I did despite my sitting location in the hall, just in a seat next to two most recent sasco presidents. There is enough evidence to justify why Khaye alleges that a disservice was done to sasco. This I say because I know that Khaye had his reasons to emit such statements that may or may not be in sink with those of us who were clapping and nodding. In consideration of the fact that we had come to bid a farewell to one of our own, Khaye did not have liberty to expound on his assertion. Unfortunately the platform limiting as the funeral made Khaye to become prone to scavengers masquerading as Truth tellers. I think it is unthought of Cde Mdu to come into defence of a man who first is known to participate in ruthless discussions and lest one who does not reveal his identity. In most ways you are saying to those of us who have joined this platform to engage and learn from one another; that we must put up with the nonsense that such fellows continue to write. If you dare respond in a defensive manner; many of us who respect and appreciate your writings and thus spare some time to read them; will certainly review such on a more serious and sober note! Cde Tshegofatso George Choshane > Com > > I was tempted not to respond to your email but I think I have every > right to respond to issues as you have correctly done so. If you read my > submission attentively you will notice that I am not expelling anyone > from this forum neither am I agreeing or disagreeing with the assertions > of "sasco member" at any point. In fact I said that if indeed events > unfolded in the manner and context that the comrade alleges then I may > be inclined to agree that the platform was inappropriate to discuss > such, but as. My submission is that the cadre should raise his point > without launching an attack on individuals. > > The point of this forum is not to HOWL but rather to convince us of his > views...I doubt anyone here holds the monopoly on views of SASCO > leadership (previous and otherwise) but you will excuse me if I am not > inclined to read endless rhetoric about Clique politics of SASCO from > one "SASCO member". > > Chief if you want to engage on whether the SASCO leadership before > Umtata was relevant or not then we can do that, but I for one will not > be roped into a discussion on ANY personalities - it is highly > unprincipled and divisive. > > So really com, review peoples submissions before you Giraffe and want to > randomly chow for no reason what so ever - the fundamental issue is that > this forum will not be abused by people with scores to settle. > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mduduzi H > Vilakazi > Sent: 27 January 2009 12:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Is the space really closed for engagements? > > > > Dear Cadres! > > > > This letter refers to the discussion around comrade Khaye Nkwanyana. I > want to refrain from discussing personalities and engage the issues that > arise from the discussion. > > > > Sibusisiwe, Njabulo, Sandile and the energetic Kaizer you all sound > bitter than the faceless sasco member who hides his/her identity due to > cowardice. Your responses to the headless sasco member exposes your one > size-fit-all approach to this matter. > > > > The main issue at hand is whether all previous SASCO leadership > collectives since the 6th of September 1991 to the Mthatha Conference > did not serve SASCO well. It does not matter whether the toothless sasco > member is true or whether Khaye raised such issues but the issue is > before us to discuss. > > > > What yardstic can we use to determine the performance of previous sasco > membership. Will the congress resolutions juxtaposed with the > organizational and political reports in the following conference be > enough to determine perfomance? Were we in SASCO between 1991 and 2000 > to such an extent that we can talk about the behaviour of the leadership > then? > > > > The other issue that pops in is the question of subscription to the > YCL-discussion forum. When I subscribed nothing more than my e-mail > address was needed. I just added my willingness to participate in the > forum. > > > > Cde Kaizer and others who dismisses other subscribers in the forum > should clarify us where did they get that mandate. What requirements of > subscription is required other than an e-mail address. Their > unwillingness to tolerate views that they do not share gives one an > understanding that they lack political maturity. The only way they can > get their "yes" men and "yes" women is to dismiss those who contest > their views. > > > > I think, I should strongly lash at SASCO member who raise issues without > providing his/her identity. Cde Matimba wrote at the end his name > because his address (unlike ours) does not provide the details. Cde > Sascomember shall learn from the likes of comrade Matimba. The > headless-chicken approach is a political cowardice. It makes me to > believe that he/she is the extreme liar without doubt. He/she has first > and foremost lied about his identity while giving names of those he/she > draws reference from. > > > > However, this forum does not belong to Kaizer Mohau, Sibusisiwe Sibiya, > Njabulo Nzuza and Sandile Dayi. If they cannot engage issues, they must > refrain fro expelling people from this forum, we need all voices. This > forum teaches all of us, how will we learn if we are chased away by the > likes of Sandile and them. > > > > Let the debates continue... > > > > This message and any attachments relating to official business of the > Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG) is proprietary to the MPG and > intended for the original addressee only. 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