Thanx cde Lebogang, Like I said we cannot as true and black and Red Communist become silent when our Party is taken for ride for personal gains and the interest of those we claim to represent and champion (the working class). Like I said on record and everyone knows, you have cde Floyd treated in Party and YCL structures as non-communist or someone who cannot e trusted and in turn cdes expect us to treat them as gods of our revolution, no question you jus follow the leader reducing us into something unfamiliar. Hence the inferences on Kupa was if GS could come in Kimberly and speak of supporting Zuma and not the ANC then there is something wrong with the leadership of the party if thats Party statement. The silence of snr Party members was worrying as it is now. Now in the same vain you have Kupa speaking on behalf of the structure he represent and if there are issues then lets deal with them.
However, like I said and I think you know too that the branch I came from is highly active and mobile and all those you talk of are requirements to have BGM's that reach quorum and resolve on this matter. Your insinuations that we are speaking as non-delegated is worrying to say the least. We reslove on all these matter and we do not need to wait for the formal process to start engage each other as to what a Centenary mean to our Revolution? We need to say the path we have travelled as ANCYL, how far are we in the Long Walh k to Freedom of Tata Mandela and who will be ready to take the baton forwards without telling us that we are not ready as if this ANC belongs to a certain section of the membership. That's all that makes us that to say as much we agree on Continuity and change, we need to look deeper into issues of Generational Mix and felt that our Programmes will be best represented and articulated by Mbaks being in the helm of Organisational work. We have seen, witnessed his work on the ANCYL and we never doubted other when they came and occupy that same space from Unions, then why then there is an issue when the ANCYL want to identify one they feel will understand the need to have good relationship between the mother body and its leagues? We are saying if for example there is an issue with Kupa, it must be raised in structures of the ANCYL in the Province and ultimately it will be Provincial Conference that will pronounce. However we must not the fact here that it is us the ANCYL that will engage the mother body, and by virtue of the fact that in Gauteng most ANC members are youth, it will be logical to say if the ANCYL resolve the ANC will do the same. Hence I even went on to make cdes to understand what we expect of an ANC member whether he or she is communist or not. If we revisit our responsibilities and obligations well we will built strong structures of the ANC and that of the partners. Lastly I must say those that say some of us have issues are the ones that have issues. It is not correct for Communist to seat under a tree a plot to deal with another cadre of the movement? If you do not have issue with that then there is more problems in the Party of Kotane in the current administration. If our forefather are not happy with ANCYL of today, the very same can be said of Kotane, Mabhida, Slovo, Hani, etc that the SACP has become a reformist party hence these challenges in our alliance. When Cde Ngoako raised this issue of the fact that Party should revisit its role there was a lot of bile here and when members of the Alliance are not able to take issue well, we must look at the root cause. lack of Political and Ideological education. Who is the correct custodian of this programme if not the Party? You can choose to be ignorant by I am not one of that, I raise my view debate and if people cannot give us a clear explanation to what happened to the black bag its not a Cope issue. They raised these matters when they were still within and this Stalin tendencies of dismissing every aspects on face value was observed and continue to grew hence there is these Dalai Lama(s) in the Party that cannot be questioned. Look I do not need someone to tell me to be reformist but I respect the structure that will give me platform to speak its resolution and will do that. If you have an issue with Irvin Jim telling us ANCYL that we are Tsotsi and expect us to respect a disrespectable leader you might be crazy. If you expect us to be quite when SADTU could not tell its members to be in class on time, stop molesting our sisters and kids and then interested on talking on our leaders fortune we are not going to be quite because we understand very well where this issue come from and for what. We have said before, if its war you want we are ready in the structures of the ANC to fight and defend the ANC against any take over and not influence by those who think that we bonafide members of the ANC cannot be trusted and only those who are linked to the Party or COSATU can be trusted. It is this assertions that we are fighting against. Hence if you read well my input, I said if you have any proof of foul play alert the authority because we are serious about fight Corruption. Do not run to media and at the same time keep quite about so many white liberals that are accumulating. At the same time, we said do not force us to be Communist when we are not. If your path is Socialism, which by the way is my path, we should force other who by true character of the ANC are non-communist. Talk to me if you have an important matter to raise and not spewing bile just like all that have issues with the President of the ANCYL. Refer to the ANCYL Media Release for further clarification and background on Thabo Kupa, press release. I remain unshakened. Cde Tom " Netshirofhe" Mutshidza >>> "Tshabalala,Lebohang (GPDPR)" <[email protected]> >>> 2010/02/22 01:39 PM >>> Cde Nndwamato, The point I am registering has nothing to do with Cdes Blade and Zwelinzima as individuals, but everything to do with the respect and acknowledgement the office their occupy, in relation to the responsibilities given by respecting Congresses of both structures. I don't think it is required of comrades to be mordant when referring to each other, and also in my view it is the responsibility of every member, activist and leader within the broader MDM structures to protect each other. Qabane fact the Cde General" is a Provincial Secretary, means in practice he articulates on the ANCYL positions within Gauteng and in my view it can't be correct to address comrades the way he did [irrespective if there are swearing @ the ANCYL or not] two wrongs can't make a correct. I agree with the attitude of Cde Kupa that of defending the President of the ANCYL, including every member in good standing. Wena you're correct to articulate on your Branch position, for then I choose to believe it was a resolve of your Branch Congress or a BGM which realized a quorum. The last think cadre rest assured I am an active member of the Congress Youth League, YCLSA & Party and not an on line members as you refer. I prefer to be developed through engagements and discussions [hence I subscribe to this forum] with other comrades, and refuse to label any comrade irrespective ukuthi we are holding opposing views about something. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nndwamato Mutshidza Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 12:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: ANC YL Media STATEMENT OF ANCYL GAUTENG PROVINCE ON THE VICIOUS ATTACK OF OUR PRESIDENT JULIUS MALEMA Equally so, the Provincial secretary has a duty to defend the ANCYL and the ANCby those from within who behave like chameleon. It cannot be right for both the Party and COSATU to become a vanguard of insulting everyone. Our has never been about individual and as such we seek not to worship even Blade or Vavi. The moment we become silent of how for example Blade responded to the January 8 Statement presented by Preisdent Zuma on behalf of the NEC in his capacity as the General Secretary and go on to worship Zuma and not the ANC was problematic and you were fine with that. You see if we are to use the very same yard stick to measure who is responsible to say what we will never win? We kept quite because we understood the structures of the Party, we are also fine with the Press Release of Secretary Kupa because we understand the structures of the ANCYL. If you have an issue with our stance of Mbalula becoming Secretary General of the ANC in 2012, come convince us in the Provincial Conference of the ANCYL in May 2010. I can speak without any contradictions that my branch Mahlambandlopfu (ANCYL) has pronounce on this matter to guide both the Regional and Provincial Conference and we are in agreement with the statement by cde Kupa. Hence we are saying if you have an issue go to structure (especially as a member in good standing) and hoping that is not about the fact that you have a card and not participating, then you must revisit your understanding of how good you are? is it online members who in branches are not there. This pronouncement by Mahlambandlopfu was informed by reality of the epoch we are heading towards in 2012 and felt that the ANC belongs to all of us and no one will seat in the pseudo congress and resolve around how the ANC should operate. Hence it is important to revisit clause 6.4 of the SACP constitution. It is sad story for leaders to remain very much bias these days to protect their dark sides. In actual fact I am begging to see what Funky saw when the issue of the Black Bag Money was pondering, it might be true that the money was collected and people do not want to be honest. By the way why do people or cdes behave as if they are less ANC or more ANC than others. The fact that we choose to be members of the SACP does not make us better ANC members than those who are just only ANC members. This new vigour and energy, which COSATU and its drunk affiliates (SADTU, NUMSA) got is just another way to protect their spoit broers. When Blade all of sudden appointed Minister and there was change of life style, buying a new brand car was an acceptable issue in the Party of Kotane and under the disguise of Security concerns. Some of this nonesense are just unjustifiable period. By the way our ANC constitutions is very clear on who is our members. If they COSATU feel that they cannot be associated with ANC, that has rich people and business people then they must just go. What a hypocrisy, for COSATU to have issues with business cdes and itself its fully participating in the Investment business for whose interests? I do not think is for workers. Hence we have been saying this issue that in SA the RED Communist are very few most of them are Yellow Communist who just love the ideals of Communism and living a different live style. Cdes, like we said there is no SACP and COSATU in ANC structures but ANC cadres. If we are to follow the SACP Constitution 6.4, it states "Members active in fraternal organisations or in any sector of the mass movement have a duty to set an example of loyalty, hard work and zeal in the performance of their duties and shall be bound by the discipline and decisions of such organisations and movement. They shall not create or participate in SACP caucuses within such organisations and movements designed to influence either elections or policies. The advocacy of SACP policy on any question relating to the internal affairs of any such organisations or movements shall be by open public statements or at joint meetings between representatives of the SACP and such organisations or movements". If we are to use this as benchmark, it will then tell those noise markers that it is only through the ANC, wherein they must raise an issue and as ANC and not either be SACP or COSATU. Therefore, this call by COSATU and its Affiliates is very shy of the reality. When for example the State wanted money from Pension Fund to Bailout Companies to Stop Job Bloodbath, COSATU did not agree and today they cry that there had been a lot of job losses while they refuse to be part of the solution. By the way the money was to be loaned by the State and members were to get their money back. We should not be reduced to be ANC members without brains, we have brains and can be thinking tanks better than them. We are loyal ANC members, we do not loose at ANC/ANCYL and then goes to SACP/YCL to locate ourselves and start to think that we are equal partners. Anyone with a view that suggest that we are Tsotsi's is tsotsi himself or herself as Thiefs come in different forms. Cdes you silency on those that name call us assume that you are in agreement with them, meaning you are guilty of name calling too. Why when teh ANCYL do the same you feel the heat. By the way we have just emerge or are emerging from economic crisis, which the Party has never presented to Society its stand and alternative to resolve the challenges except noise making. When Capitalism was at its weakest, you find those pseudo communist mum on the aggressive path to push for a socialist path, it worrying and do not care who says what. This party has gone somewhere and if you challenge we are labelled. I am writing this as a victim of Party leadership for name calling me a Bolsheviks for raising my views that are out of sink with their own wish. the moment you refuse to be a reformist you are labelled. If you think you will attack the political leader of the ANCYL and we will keep quite, you are wrong because our defence of Juju-babe is a defence of the ANCYL.I always thought some Unionist have brains but to start to spit their bile about Malema's money & become silent on their members who terrorise our kids at school is worrying. If Malema has business interests,what the fuss all about? We are determined, no one will derail us on the 2012 Project. Why silence on Snr Party members who use their Spouse and Wives to gain from tenders? Lets be genuine on this fight. If its about name and shame, we can do more but the question is at whose interest? Lets talk. >>> "Tshabalala,Lebohang (GPDPR)" <[email protected]> 2010/02/22 12:09 PM >>> Sandile I agree with you here, the Provincial Secretary of the ANCYL in Gauteng is missing an opportunity to present supporting facts. But equally what is unfortunate is this name calling thing on behalf of the leadership and structures of the ANCYL Gauteng. To refer to the GS of the Party as he did is totally out of order and very much unfortunate. I am just commenting on my personal capacity as a member of the ANCYL in Gauteng Province [who happens to be in good standing] that I am convinced that structures of the ANCYL in the Province will not agree with the insinuations made by its Secretary regarding Cdes Blade & Zwelinzima. Lastly I hope Cde Kupa will be alive to fact that when he releases an official statement it represents the ANCYL in Gauteng, which therefore suggests that it can't be based on personal views and emotions. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 11:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: ANC YL Media STATEMENT OF ANCYL GAUTENG PROVINCE ON THE VICIOUS ATTACK OF OUR PRESIDENT JULIUS MALEMA Of yellow communists and blue eyed boys. I read this statement three times trying to understand what is its message. There is absolutely nothing. It has not made anymore certain as to the validity of the allegations levelled against Cde President. This is the highest level of staunchism. Staunchists (fanatical supporters, who cannot and are not interested in fact and reason) like Kupa are feeding the frenzy by reducing to name calling and miss an opportunity to present supporting facts. What does Mr. R500000 and yellow communist mean? And so what if Cde President is from a poor family, does that give him carte blanch to plunder as he pleases. This is really shallow. ________________________________ From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:13:35 +0200 To: <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: ANC YL Media STATEMENT OF ANCYL GAUTENG PROVINCE ON THE VICIOUS ATTACK OF OUR PRESIDENT JULIUS MALEMA STATEMENT OF ANCYL GAUTENG PROVINCE ON THE VICIOUS ATTACK OF OUR PRESIDENT JULIUS MALEMA 21 February 2010 The Gauteng ANCYL wishes to express its outmost disgust on the recent media reports that seek to portray President Julius Malema as a corrupt individual as coined by yellow communist and embraced by white capitalist controlled sensational media. We reject this assertion and its association to our President, who by the way is not a public servant or any thing of that sort. We wish to state on record that President Malema is employed by the African National Congress (ANC). When masses of our people called on him to serve the state and its institutions; he requested the leadership collective to allow him to finish his task as President of the ANCYL. Unlike those who jumped into the bandwagon to serve that state irrespective of task given by their respective organizations. We are fully aware that they did so to build friendship with the media and imperialist to attack the moral standing of our President. We thought this tendency of using state apparatus and media to attack fellow comrades was defeated in Polokwane, little did we know that it continues raising its ugly head post Polokwane. We wish to take this opportunity to remind South Africans at large that President Malema is a political activist who is a child of working-class and poor family. His work for the poor is well known to everyone; therefore any attempt by forces that connives with capital to discredit him has never and will not succeed. We are very clear as Gauteng ANCYL that we currently in the congress mood, hence many comrades are attempting to deflect our attention from both policy (Nationalization) and leadership articulation and preference debate throughout our structures in the province and national. With regard to nationalization, the debate is on how it should happen not whether it will happen. We are taking this policy debate to our structures and eventually the ANC NGC later this year. Structures of the ANCYL in Gauteng and we believe the rest of the country are singing Fikile Mbalula for ANC Secretary General in 2012. This call is not made by President Malema, rather all structures of the organization. Those who wish to silence and deter us from mobilization young people who have already swelled the ranks of the ANC and postured in favour of generational mix leadership debate should not attempt to defocus us from this important task of the organization. Those deployed in government and not delivering the mandate of the ANC should not equally seek to use the state machinery to persecute one of our own (President Malema). Through our President we will continue challenging those who are inefficient, lazy and corrupt. Our campaign to fix the rotten Public Enterprise, Mining Departments and the over dominance of minorities in the economic cluster of the cabinet are issues we will continue raising sharply. We support the lifestyle audit of those in government, trade unions in particular Zwelinzima Vavi and Mr. R500, 000 plastic bag. We call upon independent auditors to check transactions and accumulation during the same period. President Malema like any other human being know people and for the record he does not dish out tenders as alleged by yellow communist and the white capitalist media. Any attempt to associate a success of a black child to corruption is malicious and unwarranted. 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