Mayka, That was a nice story. I liked it too. Thanks...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Bill; >  > I don't know you may be right or you may not. There is a side of it that is > very Buddhist specially when one starts with TNH. But alone the practice > and time becomes more zen. And it's a kind of very pure zen. It's a very > clever and gentle way to introduce one into zen by first going through the > buddhist sutras and teachings of the buddha and mixing it with zen. It's > very helpful to have the buddhist sutras and other teachings of the buddha > when one is very new in the practice. At least it was for me. But all that > will need to be discarded at a later time. >  > A witty story by TNH told with my own words: and a koan:: > A mindful man was doing walking meditation in the forest. Alone his > way he was contemplating everything as he was passing by. As he was not > running he could see the butterflies, smell the flowers, touch the branches > of the trees, heard different species of bird singing and watching them > too.  Then,  all of a sudden the noise dust of a man riding horse almost > pushed him away the path.   The mindful man asked to the rider -"Eh, > where are you going so fast?.  Without stopping, with his hands pulling the > strings of the horse kept running fast like an arrow and shouted with the > voice going distance: " I don't know ask to my horse!" > This was amongst my favourite stories. It kicked into straight away!. >  > Mayka >  > --- On Mon, 28/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Clues to the meaning of Zen > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, 28 March, 2011, 3:22 > > >  > > > > Mayka, > > There is no religious connotations to TNH's "WAKE UP". Sounds like good pure > zen advice to me. > > The real question should be 'where is the Buddhism in "WAKE UP?"'. There is > none, and that's why there is no religious connections. It's the Buddhism > cloak wrapped around Zen Buddhism that makes it a relgion - in my opinion. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > Another koan by TNH: > > à> > "WAKE UP" > > à> > Couldn't be more than zen than that.àWhere is the religion on it? > > à> > Mayka. > > > > --- On Sat, 26/3/11, Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Clues to the meaning of Zen > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Saturday, 26 March, 2011, 10:56 > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill: > > à> > Zen Buddhism is not a religion but a way of living.àA different matter > > is if people make from that a religion.àAnd the same rule will be > > applied to those who make from zen a religion.àNo difference.ààà> > à> > My experience here is that if one will follow the instructions given can > > inmediately have an experience of the present moment.àThe present moment > > isàa most importantàkey and cores of zen.à> > à> > According to my personal experience in the TNH tradition which is Zen > > Buddhism this is the much easier and short cut to get into the wave of > > zen.àAs zen is presented in action over the 24 hours a day and not just > > by sitting down in the cushion.àTo me is a much easier way to disclose > > the insight of the sort of koans given in the TNH tradition such as > > "Present moment, wonderful moment"àor "mindfulness"àor "breathe you > > are alive"àrather than the complicated nonsense given by other zen > > traditions given oneàjust a headache.àThe ones given by TNHà> > awakes something in one. > > à> > All zen traditions including the Soto have the guides and teachings of the > > Buddha and sutras as a way to introduction and guidelines.àThough it's > > true that through practice and in time all that start to be discarded by > > itself.à> > à> > Mayka > > à> > à> > à> > --- On Sat, 26/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Clues to the meaning of Zen > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Saturday, 26 March, 2011, 1:10 > > > > > > à> > > > > > My comments are embedded in your list below. If I don't comment on > > something it means I agree: > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Clues to the meaning of Zen > > > Because Zen is so hard to explain here are some quotations that may > > help > > > you get an idea of it: > > > > > > * The essence of Zen Buddhism is achieving enlightenment by seeing > > > one's original mind (or original nature) directly; without the > > > intervention of the intellect. > > > * Zen is big on intuitive understanding, on just 'getting it', and > > > not so hot on philosophising. > > > * Zen is concerned with what actually is rather than what we think or > > > feel about what is. > > > * Zen is concerned with things as they are, without trying to > > > interpret them. > > > * Zen points to something before thinking, before all your ideas. > > > * The key to Buddhahood in Zen is simply self-knowledge. > > > > [Bill!] I don't think 'knowledge' is a good choice of words. I'd > > substitute 'awareness'. > > > > > * To be a human being is to be a Buddha. Buddha nature is just > > > another name for human nature - true human nature. > > > > [Bill!] Buddha Nature applies to all sentient beings, not just humans. > > > > > * Zen is simply to be completely alive. > > > * Zen is short for Zen Buddhism. It is sometimes called a religion > > > and sometimes called a philosophy. Choose whichever term you prefer; > > it > > > simply doesn't matter. > > > > [Bill!] I definitely classify Zen Buddhism as a religion. All > > religions do have some philosophy in them. Just plain 'zen' however is > > not a religion or a philosphy. (See below) > > > > > * Zen is not a philosophy or a religion. > > > * Zen tries to free the mind from the slavery of words and the > > > constriction of logic. > > > > [Bill!] Zen doesn't 'try' to do anything. > > > > > * Zen in its essence is the art of seeing into the nature of one's > > > own being, and it points the way from bondage to freedom. > > > > [Bill!] I don't like the references to 'bondage' and 'freedom'. Zen is > > not a silver bullet-train to happiness. It is acceptance of life as-is. > > > * Zen is meditation. > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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