Steve,

Yes, I also made sure in my post that I separated free will and determinism (as 
opposed to predestination). I also hope you haven't read into my posts that I 
am 
somehow an advocate of Advaita Vedanta? I certainly owe a debt of gratitude to 
that philosophy for helping to let the penny drop on one or two sticking 
points, 
but I certainly don't share all its tenets (Universal Self etc.). I could say 
the same thing with Zen (as opposed to zen) as I tend to be too eclectic for 
the 
orthodox practioners (for example, going on Vipassana retreats, interest in 
Dzogchen, elements of Hinduism). Alan Watts reads to me much more where I am 
than say, Dogen. The one reason I will always come back to Zen tho, is its 
simpleness and dropping of techniques to live the Realised life.

Mike




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From: SteveW <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 4 April, 2011 2:52:51
Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better a Roulette

  


--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
> 
> I'm not so sure that science has proven false the idea that all phenomena are 
> strictly determined. I think the jury is still out on that one. It's true 
> that 

> what happens in the micro, quantum world is random and unpredictable, but not 
>so 
>
> in the macro-universe. Determinism seems to play a major role in life. Take a 
> look at environmental determinism. The cultural life of mountain people, 
> being 

> shaped by the mountains, is different from the culture of fishing villages, 
> being shaped by close proximity to the sea. Culture itself plays a key role 
> in 

> determining the social and psychological life of an individual. Likewise, 
> being 
>
> 6ft 2 and 200lbs it is highly unlikely I'll ever be a horse jockey. Also, 
> isn't 
>
> it one of the core tenents of Zen/emptiness that there is no object or 
>phenomena 
>
> that is self-created and independent - everything is interdependent? 
> Speaking 
>
> for myself, I have no fixed position on these questions. I do believe, 
>however, 
>
> there is a difference in determinism and self-determinism (as opposed to 
> predestination) and we do make choices (freewill) that can influence the 
>future.
> 
> Mike 
> 
> Hi again, Mike. One other thing which I forgot to mention is that free-will 
> is 
>a different topic entirely, and I have not addressed that subject. BTW, the 
>reason I chose those two articles for you is that they are actually written by 
>an advocate of Advaita Vedanta who differs in significant ways from other 
>advocates of Advaita Vedanta.
On the topic of free-will, I agree with the Kashmir Shaivites. You may have 
noticed that I care not one whit whether or not I am a Member In Good Standing 
in the Zen Club or any other Club.
Steve
> 

>


 

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