Zendervish, Your question didn't include me, but I will respond because I was the one who wrote a response post on DT Suzuki's writings.
Most all the posts here are 'authentic' as far as being written by the actual people posting them - unless they are just quotes of or links to other people's writings. I try to discourage those kinds of posts unless they are in direct support of (but not in lieu of)something the poster has asserted. I also have no reason to doubt that DT Suzuki's writing were all 'authentic'. His books, and I have read several, do not indicate they are translations. He evidently did write them in English. They may have been subject to some editing, but I'm sure he had final approval before publishing. If you mean 'authentic' as in 'having authority',then I'll have to refer you to one of my favorite lines in one of my favorite movies BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID. In one scene they were stopped by some bandits posing as police and asked them to show them their credentials - their badges. The bandits seemed confused for a moment until their leader pulled out his gun and pointed it at them and said, "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!" ...and that's the way the Zen Forum works too. You will be judged on the content of your posts, and on that alone. You're not judged on your badges, and all the badges in the world won't help you. It's the same in zen practice. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@...> wrote: > > > Peace > > And by what authority do you, Ed, and Anthony judge Mr Suzuki's writings. > Are the writings here considerably more authentic? > > Best wishes > > Zendervish > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > DT Suzuki certainly is expressing below the results of a lot of discursive > > thinking. > > > > I don't agree with all of the details of his quote below, but I do agree > > with his central point - zen is the foundation of all. > > > > I consider DT Suzuki primarily a Buddhist scholar. Although he did study > > Zen Buddhism he never received 'inca' (permission to teach) as a dharma > > successor of any Zen master - that I know of. His books do address > > Buddhism and Zen Buddhism from a intellectual, scholarly perspective so > > this quote doesn't surprise me. > > > > He is not someone that I would look to or recommend as a great communicator > > of zen. Buddhsim and maybe Zen Buddhism - yes; but just plain old zen - no. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi zendervish, Bill and All, > > > > > > DT Suzuki appears to be indulging in a lot of un-zenlike discursive > > > thinking, no? > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > This little tidbit of Buddhist Modernism throws a loop around the > > > experience of > > > the integral source that Sufism likewise expresses. > > > > > > Zen is the ultimate fact of all philosophy and religion. Every > > > intellectual > > > effort must culminate in it, or rather must start from it, if it is to > > > bear any > > > practical fruits. Every religious faith must spring from it if it has to > > > prove > > > at all efficiently and livingly workable in our active life. Therefore > > > Zen is > > > not necessarily the fountain of Buddhist thought and life alone; it is > > > very much > > > alive also in Christianity, Mohammedanism, in Taoism, and even > > > positivistic > > > Confucianism. What makes all these religions and philosophies vital and > > > inspiring, keeping up their usefulness and efficiency, is due to the > > > presence in > > > them of what I may designate as the Zen element. > > > > > > DT Suzuki > > > > > > zendervish > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
