JM,
 
You are very discursive this time.
 
Anthony

--- On Mon, 5/9/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, 5 September, 2011, 11:50 PM


  



Hello Siska,

Excellent inner observation.  Thank you.

We say in our school, "let us not practice with our mind but with our heart."

In order words, only when our mind is completely at rest, then compassion and 
wisdom rises from our heart, or spirit if you prefer.

In the traditional Buddhist teaching, our mind is the seventh consciousness, 
and our subconsciousness is the eighth.  We will be free only when we reach the 
ninth, Amala consciousness.  Otherwise we are still being bombarded with our 
mind and subconsciousness.

Any "judgment" of our notions, regardless of the final label is still 
functioning in the conscious domain and not in the spiritual domain.

Let me know your comment.
jm
Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation...
http://www.chan-meditation.org
Chan in everyday life...
http://www.chanliving.org
To be enlightened in this life...
http://www.heartchan.org
To save our world...
http://www.universal-oneness.org


On 9/5/2011 2:43 AM, [email protected] wrote: 
  

Hi JM,

Thanks for looking into this.

> This is why we must step off the top of that hunded foot pole of emptiness 
> into the world of an awakened everyday.

I believe distinction between the two is unnecessary. What is called awakened 
everyday is emptiness itself. I fully agree that we are subject to conventions 
and from time to time we need conventions. Unfortunately, identifying certain 
things as 'emptiness' or 'non-duality', while others as 'everyday world' or 
'duality' is a duality view itself.

> In truth, Two and One are in support of one another.

Here it seems that Rev Harvey makes distinction between Two and One. Are they 
really different at all?

> Are we present?  Are we kind?  Do we practice with a mindful heart?

It has been a while since I began questioning this practice of questioning. I 
used to remind myself whether I was present, whether I have been kind today, 
whether I was mindful. At one point, I discovered that whatever answers I had 
for those questions are doubtful for words are ambiguous and I no longer know 
what being kind or mindful really means anymore beyond their conventional use. 

Siska


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> 
Sender: [email protected] 
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:09:48 -0700
To: <[email protected]>
ReplyTo: [email protected] 
Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle

  

Hello Siska,

Below is a reply from Rev. Harvey in terminologies of Zen.  Perhaps it will 
clarify some of the questions in your mind?

jm

-------- Original Message --------

Aha, Sensei,

Indeed.  It is transformation instead of elimination.

The key of Chan practice lies in the way of "challenging & teaching & awaken" 
without ourselves.  Too often we impose "our practice" onto others. In such 
case, we still are attached to dharma. 

I just loved your English.  So much more depth in every word.  As always, I 
found one new words I needed to look up from dictionary.

Thank you for your sharing.  jm 

On 9/4/2011 6:01 AM, Harvey Daiho Hilbert wrote: 
  


With respect to all,
Good Morning JMJM,
 
Thank you for the correction as regards your Order's hierarchy, although I will 
continue to see you as a Master. 
 
It is true that to see oneself as one with everything, there is a danger we 
will fall into a sort of quietism.  This is why we must step off the top of 
that hunded foot pole of emptiness into the world of an awakened everyday.  
 
In Zen we step back from that pole in order to work for the freedom of all 
beings.  We live in a world of two truths, the Universe is One and the Universe 
is not one. Realizing the Vast Impermenance of all things does not negate all 
things.  
 
Engaged practice, then, is a practice of going out into the world of the 
relative with an Absolute Mind.  How we walk, talk, eat, and touch become 
teachers to those around us.  Are we present?  Are we kind?  Do we practice 
with a mindful heart?  These are profound, but beginning beginning steps, steps 
of a first order.  A second order is more foundational.  We practice to address 
the conditions within which duality is permitted to emerge.  Notions of social 
stratification, distributive justice, and prejudice must be addressed directly, 
challenged, and transformed.
 
I say transformed rather than eliminated because these causes of duality 
function for purposes that are usually righteous.  The purposes of 
stratifacation, unequal distribution of goods and services, and prejudice often 
have more to do with fear and the consequent presumed need for self 
preservation than anything about the targets of these efforts.  The goal may be 
righteous, but the method is problematic. 
 
When people have a "self" and fear the loss of things that support that "self" 
they will do all manner of things to protect it. So, our practice (for 
ourselves, as well as for others) is to cut through the delusion of a self, 
show there is no need to protect a nonexistant self, and find ways to support 
such a transformative process.  Our methods include challenging, teaching, and 
supporting people as they are in the everyday world. Bearing witness for peace, 
and against hunger and violence are beginning steps, but key steps.  
 
In truth, Two and One are in support of one another.  When we can live with 
such an open eye, we know we have nothing to fear.  Without fear, the 
bodhisattva is free to engage the universe.
 
Be well
  

Rev. Daiho Hilbert, abbot
OCMZ 



From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; 
[email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 11:08 AM
Subject: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle


  

Good morning Sensei,

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond.  I am just a practitioner of 
Chan and not a master.  A master in our school means someone who is enlightened 
and has received "Buddha Heart Imprint", while I have neither.  Since Zen does 
recognize the Mahayana practice, then please let me share some of the 
discussions we had recently in our school....

As we know, Hinayana is often called the Small Vehicle and Mahayana is the 
Great Vehicle.  And in China, the Chan is called the Supreme Vehicle.  It means 
that Chan could free everyone. 

It is true, when others are enlightened, we are enlightened.  The danger of 
this realization is the rationalization that we only need to work on 
ourselves.  If so, then we are only practicing Hinayana.  We did not "do" the 
circular track of Chan.

The Mahayana practice is a practice, only when we leave our lotus and step into 
the mud, could we than detach ourselves from the limitation of our practice and 
our dharma.  In other words, as we focus on the difficulty in freeing others, 
could we then realize how limited we are in wisdom and energy in resolving 
their karmic hindrance. Only then we could be motivated to continuously 
surpassing our habitual practice, form and formless. In turn to realize that 
"Dharma is not dharma. No dharma is dharma."  

Then we would know dharma is in every encounter.  It is up to us to be one with 
it.  Only then we are liberated from the rationalization of our mind and awaken 
to the fact that the One of Chan is the ALL.  This realization occurs when we 
journey midway into the freeing of each one, as a Supreme Vehicle.

Too often we quit by rationalizing to ourselves that this practice is not for 
everyone.  Or the time is not right, or whatever excuses we place upon our 
practice.  If so, we have trapped ourselves into believing that our current 
practice is the only path.  The practice of Supreme Vehicle is every practice 
in each moment, in each encounter, without self, without other, without dharma, 
without form, without notion, etc.

To free all beings is not to impose "our" practice upon them, but rather let 
them awaken from within.  The only way we could accomplish that is to speak in 
their language in their mindset and help them to resolve whatever there needs 
to be resolve in resources, mindset or life force.  In other words, we needed 
to be them and undertake their karma. Thus the mud is the lotus and lotus is 
the mud and they both grow in tandem.

To phrase it in beautiful labels, Mahayana is the journey for Bodhisattva, 
Supreme Vehicle is the journey for Buddha, who is the one and all and us and 
everyone.

Thank you all for your attention,
JMJM
Head Teacher
Order Of Chan
Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation...
http://www.chan-meditation.org
Chan in everyday life...
http://www.chanliving.org
To be enlightened in this life...
http://www.heartchan.org
To save our world...
http://www.universal-oneness.org


On 9/1/2011 9:49 PM, Harvey Daiho Hilbert wrote: 
  



  
 
With palms together,
Good Evening Everyone, 
 
On the Zen Living list, Ch’an Master Jue Miao Jing Ming , asked me a question 
the other day. “Dear Sensei, Do you consider Zen a Mahayana practice?  If so, 
what does Mahayana actually do?”
 
While Zen is within the Mahayana tradition, it is not a Mahayana practice as I 
understand it.  Student Rev. Shoji and I were discussing this question today 
and Rev. Shoji brought up an interesting distinction.  He argued that Mahayana 
Buddhists aim at the Bodhisattva ideal to free all beings before they, 
themselves, enter nirvana.  He points out that from a Zen point of view, self 
and other are one, therefore there is no one, but oneself, to free.
 
Zen Master Seung Sahn argues in his Compass, that  both Theravadan and Mahayane 
traditions have “roads,”  but that Zen has not only no road, but no map, as 
well.  The practice is practice realization as one.  Path and destination are 
not two.
 
These beg the question, however, “What does Mahayana actually do?” 
 
Mahayana does nothing.  Mahayana is just a word.  And we can see from the 
question that such things as words and concepts can create a hindrance.  We 
could ask a better question, “What is Mahayana practice and what does it do?” 
The aim of the practice is to free beings, but how?
 
Again, Master Sahn offers the Six Paramitas as “practice guides.”  They are 
rather like the manifest value in the nexus between idea and behavior, rather 
like the term “Quality” as used in Pirsig’s “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle 
Maintenance.”  A Mahayana practitioner practices to make manifest the six 
aspects of our true nature in the hope that to do so will free suffering 
beings.  
 
A Zen practitioner, however realizes practice and life are one, that everything 
is already free, perfect as it is, but that we  jail ourselves with our 
thoughts.  A Zen practitioner notices and ceases all grasping: no attachment to 
ideas, desires, things, feelings, etc.   
A Zen practitioner is free and easy in the everyday world.  His mind is free 
and his heart limitless.  He recognizes all beings are likewise like this. 
 
Be well.

Rev. Daiho Hilbert, abbot
OCMZ 






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