>This is why we must step off the top of that hunded foot pole of emptiness 
>into the world of an awakened everyday.
 
Better yet - don't claim the 100 ft pole in the first place.
 
Mike
 
 
 
 
 

From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011, 1:09
Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle


  
Hello Siska,

Below is a reply from Rev. Harvey in terminologies of Zen.  Perhaps it will 
clarify some of the questions in your mind?

jm

-------- Original Message --------

Aha, Sensei,

Indeed.  It is transformation instead of elimination.

The key of Chan practice lies in the way of "challenging & teaching & awaken" 
without ourselves.  Too often we impose "our practice" onto others. In such 
case, we still are attached to dharma. 

I just loved your English.  So much more depth in every word.  As always, I 
found one new words I needed to look up from dictionary.

Thank you for your sharing.  jm 

On 9/4/2011 6:01 AM, Harvey Daiho Hilbert wrote: 
  
>With respect to all,
>Good Morning JMJM,
> 
>Thank you for the correction as regards your Order's hierarchy, although I 
>will continue to see you as a Master. 
> 
>It is true that to see oneself as one with everything, there is a danger we 
>will fall into a sort of quietism.  This is why we must step off the top of 
>that hunded foot pole of emptiness into the world of an awakened everyday.  
> 
>In Zen we step back from that pole in order to work for the freedom of all 
>beings.  We live in a world of two truths, the Universe is One and the 
>Universe is not one. Realizing the Vast Impermenance of all things does not 
>negate all things.  
> 
>Engaged practice, then, is a practice of going out into the world of the 
>relative with an Absolute Mind.  How we walk, talk, eat, and touch become 
>teachers to those around us.  Are we present?  Are we kind?  Do we practice 
>with a mindful heart?  These are profound, but beginning beginning 
>steps, steps of a first order.  A second order is more foundational.  We 
>practice to address the conditions within which duality is permitted to 
>emerge.  Notions of social stratification, distributive justice, and prejudice 
>must be addressed directly, challenged, and transformed.
> 
>I say transformed rather than eliminated because these causes of duality 
>function for purposes that are usually righteous.  The purposes of 
>stratifacation, unequal distribution of goods and services, and prejudice 
>often have more to do with fear and the consequent presumed need for self 
>preservation than anything about the targets of these efforts.  The goal may 
>be righteous, but the method is problematic. 
> 
>When people have a "self" and fear the loss of things that support that "self" 
>they will do all manner of things to protect it. So, our practice (for 
>ourselves, as well as for others) is to cut through the delusion of a self, 
>show there is no need to protect a nonexistant self, and find ways to support 
>such a transformative process.  Our methods include challenging, teaching, and 
>supporting people as they are in the everyday world. Bearing witness for 
>peace, and against hunger and violence are beginning steps, but key steps.  
> 
>In truth, Two and One are in support of one another.  When we can live with 
>such an open eye, we know we have nothing to fear.  Without fear, the 
>bodhisattva is free to engage the universe.
> 
>Be well
>  
>Rev. Daiho Hilbert, abbot
>OCMZ 
>
>
>From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]; [email protected]; 
>[email protected]; [email protected]
>Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 11:08 AM
>Subject: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle
>
>
>  
>Good morning Sensei,
>
>Thank you so much for taking the time to respond.  I am just a practitioner of 
>Chan and not a master.  A master in our school means someone who is 
>enlightened and has received "Buddha Heart Imprint", while I have neither.  
>Since Zen does recognize the Mahayana practice, then please let me share some 
>of the discussions we had recently in our school....
>
>As we know, Hinayana is often called the Small Vehicle and Mahayana is the 
>Great Vehicle.  And in China, the Chan is called the Supreme Vehicle.  It 
>means that Chan could free everyone. 
>
>It is true, when others are enlightened, we are enlightened.  The danger of 
>this realization is the rationalization that we only need to work on 
>ourselves.  If so, then we are only practicing Hinayana.  We did not "do" the 
>circular track of Chan.
>
>The Mahayana practice is a practice, only when we leave our lotus and step 
>into the mud, could we than detach ourselves from the limitation of our 
>practice and our dharma.  In other words, as we focus on the difficulty in 
>freeing others, could we then realize how limited we are in wisdom and energy 
>in resolving their karmic hindrance. Only then we could be motivated to 
>continuously surpassing our habitual practice, form and formless. In turn to 
>realize that "Dharma is not dharma. No dharma is dharma."  
>
>Then we would know dharma is in every encounter.  It is up to us to be one 
>with it.  Only then we are liberated from the rationalization of our mind and 
>awaken to the fact that the One of Chan is the ALL.  This realization occurs 
>when we journey midway into the freeing of each one, as a Supreme Vehicle.
>
>Too often we quit by rationalizing to ourselves that this practice is not for 
>everyone.  Or the time is not right, or whatever excuses we place upon our 
>practice.  If so, we have trapped ourselves into believing that our current 
>practice is the only path.  The practice of Supreme Vehicle is every practice 
>in each moment, in each encounter, without self, without other, without 
>dharma, without form, without notion, etc.
>
>To free all beings is not to impose "our" practice upon them, but rather let 
>them awaken from within.  The only way we could accomplish that is to speak in 
>their language in their mindset and help them to resolve whatever there needs 
>to be resolve in resources, mindset or life force.  In other words, we needed 
>to be them and undertake their karma. Thus the mud is the lotus and lotus is 
>the mud and they both grow in tandem.
>
>To phrase it in beautiful labels, Mahayana is the journey for Bodhisattva, 
>Supreme Vehicle is the journey for Buddha, who is the one and all and us and 
>everyone.
>
>Thank you all for your attention,
>JMJM
>Head Teacher
>Order Of Chan
>
>Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation... http://www.chan-meditation.org Chan in 
>everyday life... http://www.chanliving.org To be enlightened in this life... 
>http://www.heartchan.org To save our world... http://www.universal-oneness.org 
>On 9/1/2011 9:49 PM, Harvey Daiho Hilbert wrote: 
>  
>>  
>> 
>>With palms together,
>>Good Evening Everyone, 
>> 
>>On the Zen Living list, Ch’an Master Jue Miao Jing Ming , asked me a question 
>>the other day. “Dear Sensei, Do you consider Zen a Mahayana practice?  If so, 
>>what does Mahayana actually do?”
>> 
>>While Zen is within the Mahayana tradition, it is not a Mahayana practice as 
>>I understand it.  Student Rev. Shoji and I were discussing this question 
>>today and Rev. Shoji brought up an interesting distinction.  He argued that 
>>Mahayana Buddhists aim at the Bodhisattva ideal to free all beings before 
>>they, themselves, enter nirvana.  He points out that from a Zen point of 
>>view, self and other are one, therefore there is no one, but oneself, to free.
>> 
>>Zen Master Seung Sahn argues in his Compass, that  both Theravadan and 
>>Mahayane traditions have “roads,”  but that Zen has not only no road, but no 
>>map, as well.  The practice is practice realization as one.  Path and 
>>destination are not two.
>> 
>>These beg the question, however, “What does Mahayana actually do?” 
>> 
>>Mahayana does nothing.  Mahayana is just a word.  And we can see from the 
>>question that such things as words and concepts can create a hindrance.  We 
>>could ask a better question, “What is Mahayana practice and what does it do?” 
>>The aim of the practice is to free beings, but how?
>> 
>>Again, Master Sahn offers the Six Paramitas as “practice guides.”  They are 
>>rather like the manifest value in the nexus between idea and behavior, rather 
>>like the term “Quality” as used in Pirsig’s “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle 
>>Maintenance.”  A Mahayana practitioner practices to make manifest the six 
>>aspects of our true nature in the hope that to do so will free suffering 
>>beings.  
>> 
>>A Zen practitioner, however realizes practice and life are one, that 
>>everything is already free, perfect as it is, but that we  jail ourselves 
>>with our thoughts.  A Zen practitioner notices and ceases all grasping: no 
>>attachment to ideas, desires, things, feelings, etc.   
>>A Zen practitioner is free and easy in the everyday world.  His mind is free 
>>and his heart limitless.  He recognizes all beings are likewise like this. 
>> 
>>Be well.
>>Rev. Daiho Hilbert, abbot
>>OCMZ 
>
>

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