Now, now, point well taken, Edgar.

But I've had various teachers, not just one; they are now all dead.

I'm not likely to forget the old fellers.

They continue to teach, at least as far as the technical points of the methods 
are concerned, and their kind hearts.  These are the things I have promised to 
pass on, as a dharma-teacher who has NOT received transmission.  Also, there 
are ways of working with people that only a Zen teacher is good at, and I hope 
to be able to help people along those lines, too, in a new sangha here.

I don't mean here on the Forum!  But it might happen accidentally. 

Aitken was not my teacher, but he made our teacher Pat Hawk Roshi, who just 
passed away.  Aitken's words are close at hand because I spent 22 years in a 
Diamond Sangha affiliate sangha (Tucson's Zen Desert Sangha was in fact the 
very first affiliate sangha of the Diamond Sangha in Hawai'i, so we had deep 
roots, there).  

My principal teacher nonetheless has remained Sheng Yen (deceased).

I think Sheng Yen would not have found fault in Aitken's words, tho'.

Just plain greetings,  ;-)

--Joe

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
... As long as you are attached to your roshi you won't recognize the zen all 
around you in front of your face... [snip]



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