What is it they say? "To understand everything is to forgive everything."
In general, most of the problems arising from our technology altering the world were from us doing things we thought appropriate - having kids, discovering faster ways to move about, building housing for people, growing crops, that sort of thing. It may have had unexpected consequences which we now have to deal with, but (without arguing that people aren't at times lazy stupid and greedy) there's nothing in our pattern of habits that keeps us from altering our behavior now. Global warming has a pretty straight forward physical cause - we tend to be good at fixing simple problems like this without changing our mosaic of lazy/stupid/greedy/hardworking/brilliant/generous nervous systems (once we perceive the problem, at least - if we didn't procrastinate, we'd be launching star ships and living in a time of plenty instead of cleaning up landmines and CO2 etc.). Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: > Merle, > > ...and this is my point. > > If we're the stupid, lazy, greedy species that 'created this mess' in the > first place, just why do we think that NOW we have become so smart, > enthusiastic and sharing that we can now 'fix it'? > > Don't you think we might just still be the stupid, lazy, greedy species > that will now try to 'fix' something in a stupid, lazy, greedy way? Maybe > even making things worse? > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Â we create the mess now we must fix it..merle > > Â > > Chris, > > > > Seems to me we (humans) are just another one of the numerous fauna and > flora living here, but think we are smart enough to know what's best for > the entire planet. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > > > > Seems to me we (humans) are now the designated park managers for the > > > planet. hopefully our skill and motivation will improve in the next > few > > > hundred years at this task liFe has given us > > > On Oct 16, 2012 11:09 PM, "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > I never said that I thought everything should just stay as it is. It > > > > won't. That's all part of impermanence. And...I believe the urge > of Merle > > > > and you and anyone else to 'make things better' is natural too. > > > > > > > > What I bristle at is people trying to use labels such as 'unnatural' > or > > > > 'interfering with nature' as a reason to justify their environmental > > > > (especially if conservationist) agenda. > > > > > > > > I look at beaches and see that I like sparsely populated beaches > better > > > > than those littered with condos, but I don't label the condos as > > > > 'unnatural' nor their developers as 'interfering with nature'. > > > > > > > > I just say I like the uncluttered beaches better. They are more > pleasing > > > > to me. Why should I have to say more or try to justify that further? > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill!, > > > > > > > > > > I know that you are. And I don't disagree. > > > > > > > > > > But don't give yourself airs. You're not arguing at all, Bill. > > > > > > > > > > You just seem to passively accept them. I'm not sure that that is > > > > natural. It seems self-defeating, not Nature's way. > > > > > > > > > > We can naturally step in, step up, and do a hell of a lot better > for > > > > Nature (ourselves). It's only natural that we should want to do so. > And > > > > we will. Even if you benefit. > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike and Joe and maybe even Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not arguing that all these things are not happening. I'm > only > > > > arguing that all these things are natural activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or > are > > > > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
