Zendervish, In that statement I made I use 'essence' to mean the core teaching and practice of zen. I sometimes call all the rest of it 'fluff', which just means extraneous and non-essential.
Buddhism is a good example of very complex 'fluff'. So are all zen teaching techniques like zazen, koan study, kinhin, bowing, chanting, samu, etc... Like actual 'fluff', some of these are comforting and even useful to shield yourself from the bumps and grinds of reality, but none of it is essential. The only essential is Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@...> wrote: > > Bill > > Your use of essence is interesting, does that qualify "Realist" in some > manner. > > Essence as essential? > > Essence as core? > > Essence as correct? > > Sounds like you are heading toward some finality along the lines of what > realist, essence, and zen 'is'. > > /\ > > zendervish > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Zendervish, > > > > 'Realist' does not convey any 'special' or 'elitist' connotation to me. > > 'Realist' to me just means someone who takes things as they are, without > > trying to interpret or change them to suit their purposes. > > > > This IMO is the essence of zen. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > > > > In addition, Realist denotes something special, something elitist as > > > well, does it not? > > > > > > You know, people use they hands in different ways. > > > > > > /\ > > > > > > zendervish > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > The "subject line" refers to the book > > > > > > > > Ehei Dogen, Mystical Realist, Hee-Jin Kim > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, I would agree with you though, so how about that one! . . > > > > . Mystical is a word in our time that denotes something special . . . > > > > usually it has something to do with "spiritual but not religious." Or > > > > apologetics for certain Religions. > > > > > > > > Like the word esoteric . . . > > > > > > > > Enlightenment . . . how about that booby trap word? > > > > > > > > I am more from the school of "get your ass over there and sit down . . > > > > ." Or -- "don't!" > > > > > > > > Samey Samey . . . > > > > > > > > Anyway, I am not big on the word myself . . . it has worn out its > > > > usefulness, if it had any to begin with. > > > > > > > > zendervish > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Suresh, > > > > > > > > > > There is no spiritual quality in zen. Dogen was not a mystic as is > > > > > stated in the subject line of this post. He was a realist. Only that. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful saying. I have a problem. This daily life often takes me > > > > > > out > > > > > > of this spirituality. I often drained off by the thoughts of wanting > > > > > > and fearing. I can't speak spiritual in other forums such as > > > > > > Merchant > > > > > > Navy forums, which they dislike. Can anyone have a separate life one > > > > > > for professional and for personal? People have multiple faces, they > > > > > > don't speak truth or even they don't know that they are possessed by > > > > > > egoic thoughts. If you point out their egoic way of thiking, they > > > > > > get > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid I wanted to be constantly aware of my inner peace and > > > > > > remain in peace. But it doesn't seem to happen. My energy levels are > > > > > > going down. Can I be enlightened? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Thanks and best regards > > > > > > J.Suresh > > > > > > New No.3, Old No.7, > > > > > > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > > > > > > Alwarpet, > > > > > > Chennai - 600018 > > > > > > Ph: 044 42030947 > > > > > > Mobile: 91 9884071738 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
