Joe, The Cleary translation is pretty much the same except the last response. It is, "When it's cold, the cold kills you, when it's hot, the heat kills you."
The translation I used was from Jivacandra, a zen blogger from San Francisco. I don't know much about him but just wanted a version of the koan I could cut and paste. His translation seemed to express the same message to me - and that is when realizing Buddha Nature you are just experiencing. There is no cold, no heat - Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > It's nice. Is that the Cleary? (transl.). > > We practiced it in Tucson (seriously) with Pat Hawk Roshi, as: > > "KILL yourself with heat and cold". > > --Joe > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > The koan that's closest to what I think you want is Case 43 in THE BLUE > > CLIFF RECORD - Tung Shan's No Cold or Heat > > > > "A monk asked Tung-shan, "When cold and heat come, how can we avoid them?" > > > > Tung-shan said, "Why don't you go to the place where there is no cold and > > no heat?" > > > > The monk said, "What is the place where there is no cold and no heat?" > > > > Tung-shan replied, "When cold comes, cold completes the monk; when heat > > comes, heat totals the monk."" > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > Siska, > > > > > > You are one stubborn Bodhisattva. > > > > > > Tasting warm or cold is "knowing" by the tongue. Are you the tongue? > > > > > > All other knowings are fraudulent. Two-plus-two? Has no taste at all. > > > It doesn't even stink. > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > PS Classic Zen story may be a koan. Let me look in Mumonkan. It has to > > > do of course with drinking water and knowing for oneself whether it is > > > warm or cold. Maybe Mumonkan Case One. Let's both see. Thanks if > > > you'll tell us a better translation than "know". Anyway, "know" is jake > > > with me, and everything else is then a scaled-down "know", begging to be > > > called so. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
