Bill!, It's nice. Is that the Cleary? (transl.).
We practiced it in Tucson (seriously) with Pat Hawk Roshi, as: "KILL yourself with heat and cold". --Joe > "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > Joe, > > The koan that's closest to what I think you want is Case 43 in THE BLUE CLIFF > RECORD - Tung Shan's No Cold or Heat > > "A monk asked Tung-shan, "When cold and heat come, how can we avoid them?" > > Tung-shan said, "Why don't you go to the place where there is no cold and no > heat?" > > The monk said, "What is the place where there is no cold and no heat?" > > Tung-shan replied, "When cold comes, cold completes the monk; when heat > comes, heat totals the monk."" > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > Siska, > > > > You are one stubborn Bodhisattva. > > > > Tasting warm or cold is "knowing" by the tongue. Are you the tongue? > > > > All other knowings are fraudulent. Two-plus-two? Has no taste at all. It > > doesn't even stink. > > > > --Joe > > > > PS Classic Zen story may be a koan. Let me look in Mumonkan. It has to > > do of course with drinking water and knowing for oneself whether it is warm > > or cold. Maybe Mumonkan Case One. Let's both see. Thanks if you'll tell > > us a better translation than "know". Anyway, "know" is jake with me, and > > everything else is then a scaled-down "know", begging to be called so. ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
