Bill - Sum things are dim! regards to you in the sky according to merle
bob --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > Here's my poem about some things I love... > > Dim Sum > > Chinatown's famous for Dim Sum, > It's all you can eat, and then some. > When they're on the plate, > They all look so great, > The taste? You loose some and win some. > > Copyright © 1995 Bill Smart. All rights reserved > > --- In [email protected], "bobthomas564" <bobthomas564@> wrote: > > > > I used to meditate everyday, these days it is closer to 3, but often in > > the car I slip into the concept of being in touch with the working > > surfaces of the tyres on the road. > > > > We meet once a week to meditate in our local hall. > > > > That is about it guys, like Joe? said, meditation is a part of it, an > > important part to my mind, but a part all the same. > > > > My concern with meditation is the speed at which I get swept away by it > > and samadhi takes over, from that point 'I' start to disappear and the > > immensity becomes evident. From there it seems to point to a monastery. > > Luckily I am not at that point again and I can write this rubbish. If I > > am at that point again you will most probably not hear from me. > > > > Unfortunately or fortunately, the red thread holds me here. > > > > Regarding meditation in the zen tradition Bodhidharma was primarily a > > meditation teacher. > > > > If you look for it, it is not there. If you don't look for it, it > > doesn't exist. This is where meditation comes in and the rest starts to > > move out. The only thing moving is the mind (to quote the well worn flag > > story). > > > > Bob > > > > This is poem I wrote about it: > > > > Stars in my Head like Rocks in a Pool > > > > I'm digging down so deep, in life's walk of sleep. > > To get to the end of a lost road, descend. > > > > Staring ahead is opaque at best. > > Dodging barbed wire, the odd screeching tyre. > > > > Suddenly nothing, fear grabs my heart. > > Teetering life on a black painted cliff. > > > > No road behind me, I cannot go back. > > Nothing before me, just death at one step. > > > > My hearts beating so fast, no thoughts what to do. > > Step over the cliff edge, my god! What a view. > > > > Into deaths clutches, I enter myself. > > All of a sudden, life slows right down. > > > > Explosions in my head, "have I hit the ground". > > The stars all before me completely confound. > > > > The rock pool of life, points and laughs at the sound, > > of the stars in my cranium banging around. > > > > My eyes see the sky, my heart feels the light. > > The stars in my head are just perfect tonight. > > > > Bob Thomas 24-8-05 > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" wrote: > > > > > > Joe, Edgar and Everyone, > > > > > > I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but > > some days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the > > morning shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or > > any stimulants like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and > > then get up and walk around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like > > to repeat this two more times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. > > Sometimes I substitute bowing or chanting for sitting or for one of the > > sessions. Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 sessions, and sometimes like I > > said not at all. > > > > > > What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of > > meditation? > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" desert_woodworker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my > > method of meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. > > This is Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to > > be neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old > > Masters, nor even our quite young, recent, master teachers. > > > > > > > > To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice. > > > > > > > > We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed > > it here. Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!). > > > > > > > > So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none. > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done > > more than *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you > > don't name. And you would definitely have heard about it, and not > > "almost never". Neither Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in > > their writings: As contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. > > figures; their vocalizations have faded. > > > > > > > > > Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Joe and Bill, > > > > > > > > > > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of > > the traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost > > always the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of > > seeing the true nature of the world of forms. > > > > > > > > > > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the > > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting.... > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
