Edgar, Why would you classify 2+ hours a week 'very rarely'?
I'm sure I spend a lot less time on the toilet than that but I wouldn't say I 'very rarely' shit. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Merle, > > Bill keeps telling us that sitting is what's important over everything else, > yet he very rarely sits! > > Edgar > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > is it the quality or the quantity that is important?..merle > > > > > > Bill, > > > > Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 > > minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > >> > >> Joe, Edgar and Everyone, > >> > >> I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but > >> some days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the > >> morning shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or any > >> stimulants like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and then get > >> up and walk around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like to repeat > >> this two more times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. Sometimes I > >> substitute bowing or chanting for sitting or for one of the sessions. > >> Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 sessions, and sometimes like I said not at all. > >> > >> What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation? > >> > >> ...Bill! > >> > >> --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Edgar, > >> > > >> > When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my method > >> > of meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. This is > >> > Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to be > >> > neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, > >> > nor even our quite young, recent, master teachers. > >> > > >> > To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice. > >> > > >> > We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it > >> > here. Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!). > >> > > >> > So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none. > >> > > >> > --Joe > >> > > >> > PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more > >> > than *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't > >> > name. And you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost > >> > never". Neither Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their > >> > writings: As contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; > >> > their vocalizations have faded. > >> > > >> > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Joe and Bill, > >> > > > >> > > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the > >> > > traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always > >> > > the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the > >> > > true nature of the world of forms. > >> > > > >> > > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the > >> > > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting.... > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
