is it the quality or the quantity that is important?..merle


  
Bill,

Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 minutes 
apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week...

Edgar




On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote:

  
>Joe, Edgar and Everyone,
>
>I sit (zazen) almost every day.  I actually intend to sit every day but some 
>days that schedule is interrupted.  When I sit it is usually in the morning 
>shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or any stimulants 
>like a cup of tea.  When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and then get up and walk 
>around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs.  I like to repeat this two more 
>times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting.  Sometimes I substitute bowing or 
>chanting for sitting or for one of the sessions.  Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 
>sessions, and sometimes like I said not at all.
>
>What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation?
>
>...Bill!
>
>--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>>
>> Edgar,
>> 
>> When I sit, I sit in the world of forms.  Granted, I stay with my method of 
>> meditation.  Except when I don't.  And then I come back to it.  This is 
>> Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation.  It's not to be 
>> neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, nor 
>> even our quite young, recent, master teachers.
>> 
>> To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice.
>> 
>> We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it here.  
>> Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!).
>> 
>> So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none.
>> 
>> --Joe
>> 
>> PS  If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more than 
>> *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't name.  And 
>> you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost never".  Neither 
>> Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it?  Well, it's in their writings: As 
>> contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; their 
>> vocalizations have faded.
>> 
>> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Joe and Bill,
>> > 
>> > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the 
>> > traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always the 
>> > result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the true 
>> > nature of the world of forms.
>> > 
>> > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the 
>> > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting....
>>
>
>

 

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