is it the quality or the quantity that is important?..merle
Bill, Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week... Edgar On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote: >Joe, Edgar and Everyone, > >I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but some >days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the morning >shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or any stimulants >like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and then get up and walk >around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like to repeat this two more >times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. Sometimes I substitute bowing or >chanting for sitting or for one of the sessions. Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 >sessions, and sometimes like I said not at all. > >What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation? > >...Bill! > >--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: >> >> Edgar, >> >> When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my method of >> meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. This is >> Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to be >> neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, nor >> even our quite young, recent, master teachers. >> >> To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice. >> >> We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it here. >> Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!). >> >> So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none. >> >> --Joe >> >> PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more than >> *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't name. And >> you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost never". Neither >> Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their writings: As >> contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; their >> vocalizations have faded. >> >> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >> > >> > Joe and Bill, >> > >> > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the >> > traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always the >> > result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the true >> > nature of the world of forms. >> > >> > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the >> > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting.... >> > >
