Merle,

Bill keeps telling us that sitting is what's important over everything else, 
yet he very rarely sits!

Edgar



On May 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Merle Lester wrote:

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>  is it the quality or the quantity that is important?..merle
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> Bill,
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> Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 
> minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week...
> 
> Edgar
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> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote:
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>>  
>> Joe, Edgar and Everyone,
>> 
>> I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but some 
>> days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the morning 
>> shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or any 
>> stimulants like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and then get 
>> up and walk around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like to repeat this 
>> two more times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. Sometimes I substitute 
>> bowing or chanting for sitting or for one of the sessions. Sometimes I only 
>> sit 1 or 2 sessions, and sometimes like I said not at all.
>> 
>> What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation?
>> 
>> ...Bill!
>> 
>> --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Edgar,
>> > 
>> > When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my method of 
>> > meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. This is 
>> > Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to be 
>> > neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, nor 
>> > even our quite young, recent, master teachers.
>> > 
>> > To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice.
>> > 
>> > We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it 
>> > here. Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!).
>> > 
>> > So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none.
>> > 
>> > --Joe
>> > 
>> > PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more 
>> > than *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't 
>> > name. And you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost 
>> > never". Neither Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their 
>> > writings: As contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; 
>> > their vocalizations have faded.
>> > 
>> > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Joe and Bill,
>> > > 
>> > > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the 
>> > > traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always 
>> > > the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the 
>> > > true nature of the world of forms.
>> > > 
>> > > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the 
>> > > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting....
>> >
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