Hi Edgar & Mike,
Based on my witness, the Buddhist karma is slightly different from cause
and effect. Buddist karma is inherited via our subconsciousness. It
can be cleansed as per Mike's sutra quotations.
In other words, our subconsciousness causes us to act, often beyond the
control of our logical mind. That's what Buddhist Karma is referring
to. While phenomena of nature occurs based on cause and effect without
human intervention.
I have witness karma cleansing also via my enlightened Master.
JM
On 6/28/2013 12:07 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Edgar,
There is no confusion in what I said at all and it also depends on
from which tradition you're talking about karma. As I've been taught,
karma will indeed play itself out, but only as long as a person still
identifies themselves with a self. Upon awakening to our Original
Nature (which can happen at any time) karma is extinguished because
where is the self for karma to attach to? Unless of course you're
getting karma confused with the crazy notion that karma is fatalistic
and/or deterministic which would make emancipation from karma impossible.
Here are a few snippets on the subject. There are many, many more out
there if you care to do the research..
>He who believes in Karma does not condemn even the most corrupt, for
they, too, have their chance to reform themselves ***at any moment***
(buddhanet.net)
>Since basic nature transcends all duality and is ultimate, there is
no one to receive the effect, whether it is good or bad, and no one to
whom any effect can apply. Cause and effect, just like birth and
death, lose their significance at the Enlightened level because at the
level of basic nature there is no one to receive the effect of the
Karma, whether it is good or bad. Therefore, at the extreme, when one
is Enlightened, the law of Karma is not applicable (angel-fire.com)
>In the Vajrayana tradition, it is believed that the effects of
negative past karma can be "purified" through such practices as
meditation on Vajrasattva.[91] The performer of the action, after
having purified the karma, does not experience the negative results he
or she otherwise would have.[92]
(Wiki)
>The Japanese Tendai/Pure Land teacher Genshin taught that Amida
Buddha has the power to destroy the karma that would otherwise bind
one in saṃsāra.[89][90]
Mike
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*From: * Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>;
*To: * <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>;
*Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
*Sent: * Thu, Jun 27, 2013 1:07:05 PM
Mike,
No, this is not the correct understanding of karma. It can't just "be
changed anytime". People are always bound by prior actions according
to the karma theory.
You are confusing the theory of karma with the crazy Christian idea
that if you repent then all your past sins are suddenly and completely
forgiven.
Edgar
On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:12 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Suresh,
Hope you don't mind me jumping in here? Someone has the wrong
understanding of karma. At least the karma a taught by Buddha. Karma
is not the same as a fatalistic or determinative belief. Karma can be
changed at anytime if the right actions/thoughts are performed. Also,
it is wrong to judge another's circumstances as a result of good or
bad karma - we can only workout are own.
Mike
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*From: * Suresh <varam...@gmail.com>;
*To: * <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>;
*Subject: * [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
*Sent: * Thu, Jun 27, 2013 7:00:56 AM
Dear Joe,
I understand your concern.
The members of other forum describe that catastrophe as order of god
or fate or Karma. I oppose as it is nothing to do with god, fate or
Karma, it is science's cause and effect such as global warming and
inadequate disaster management in the country and Carelessness of
administrators.
I said, because of karma theory, people become lazy to do anything,
because all is destined to happen even you do whatever to prevent. I
want to remove that attitude and people should feel responsible for
better living in this world, hence they have to work hard, the
unknown god will not work for them.
This is what the whole emphasis is
Best regards
Suresh
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> Suresh,
>
> I'm sorry, and have to admit, I am lost. I ask your help.
>
> The considerations in your transferred post go well beyond my
little knowledge of Hindu scripture and tradition. And because I lack
the context of the original motivation for your posting, I don't feel
enthusiastic to delve deeply into this as a quite independent
researcher.
>
> Perhaps if you were to summarize your concerns in a paragraph, or
two, in simple terms, I might grasp it. Others here, might, too.
>
> But to be true to the working conditions of this Forum, I would
need to make a connection with Zen, or Zen Buddhism, Ch'an, etc. That
might be a "stretch".
>
> But regardless, see what you can do to summarize your concern and
question BRIEFLY. I might learn something. Thank you!
>
> --Joe
>
> > varamtha@ wrote:
> >
> > Dear Joe,
> >
> > Below my mail was not approved by other forum. Am I wrong in my
view, please comment.
> >
> > Brgds
> > Suresh
> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@>
> > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:10:59
> > To: USA Brhmins<usbrahm...@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: <karavind09@>; <udayshanker1@>; ram mohan anantha
pai<pairamblr@>; Subramanian Balachandran<suba42@>; Barath
Ganesan<catchbarath@>; iyer123<iyer...@yahoogroups.com>; <svs_iyer@>;
<krishlal@>
> > Subject: Re: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
> >
> > Dear Sri.Aravinda rao,
> >
> > Thank you for your mail.
> >
> > Dr.R.Krishnan states that People described the scene and compared
it to
> > Rudra thandavam.
>
> [snip]
>
