Bill!: You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking for an impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D
The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you back to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, then we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize that both are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses all -- no need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and mountains again! ~PeeBeeEss -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of the act itself. But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, pandabananasock@... wrote: > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different equations, but they are not in the least bit different. The equal-sign is the present. > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > ------------------------------ > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > >...Bill! > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/