Edgar, I know math is based on logic. That's all I need to know.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > This appears to be part of your problem in understanding the nature of the > world of forms. The math out there doesn't consist of ideal circles, squares, > and lines as some of the ancient Greeks thought. > > The math our there is like software that continually computes the current > state of reality in the present moment. > > It has nothing to do with idealized geometry... > > Edgar > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > Chris, > > > > I fundamentally disagree with you. > > > > Math is no difference than logic or reason. I know many think that math > > represents reality, exists 'out there' and we 'discover it'. > > > > IMO math is just a projection of human intellect. We project it on reality > > the very same way we project all delusions. > > > > In reality there are no integers, no straight line, no circles, etc... > > > > That's the way I see it anyway... > > > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > > > > The math's an analogy. > > > > > > But I will speak up for math by stating math does something different than > > > mirror the small individual's intellect. Perhaps it mirrors the essential > > > uncreated mind :) Like reality it has a certain independence from thoughts > > > and selves. Unlike reality, it's not reality. > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > --Chris > > > chris@ > > > +1-301-270-6524 > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > Mathematics doesn't reveal reality. Mathematics only mirrors the human > > > > intellect. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for zen is that > > > > > it > > > > > shows how two different things csn br exactly the same. > > > > > > > > > > Linear equations over reals are lines. Lines are linear equations. > > > > > Numbers, points, the constituents drop away as the eternal unity is > > > > seen. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > --Chris > > > > > 301-270-6524 > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013 8:12 AM, <pandabananasock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bill!: > > > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking > > > > > > for > > > > an > > > > > > impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you > > > > back > > > > > > to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, > > > > then > > > > > > we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize that > > > > both > > > > > > are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses > > > > > > all > > > > -- no > > > > > > need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and > > > > mountains > > > > > > again! > > > > > > ~PeeBeeEss > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect > > > > > > and > > > > > > Karma > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > > > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > > > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > > > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > > > > > > the act itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > > > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > > > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > > > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > > > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > > > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > > > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > > > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > > > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > > > > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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