You are absolutely right. However we are to worship God as the supreme entity. How can we do that if He is subject to a higher force, and therefore not the supreme entity.
That is my point. That there is no higher entity, not even law. I don't know what you mean concerning the Romans, but to say that there is a higher power, even law, than God is an inconsistency in the doctrine of those that believe such a thing. IMNSHO George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Natural Law I'm afraid I don't see how it follows that we should worship the law. We have been told to worship God the Father. Period. Not even Jesus Christ -- God the Father. Worship is a person-to-person interaction as we understand it. It is the Romans who have to deal with the inherent inconsistencies in their theology. George Cobabe wrote: > Furthermore, if Natural Law is the great constant and above God, then it is > the law we should worship. If we choose to do so it is then we become more > like Protestants and Catholics, in that our object of worship becomes > something without form, no body, parts, or passions. The Law can fill the > universe and yet dwell in our hearts. We become more like Jews who know > little, or nothing, of God, yet can produce volumes and volumes on the > smallest point of law and behavior. > > Those who argue there is a Law about our God need to examine what that > belief tells them of their priorities and what they truly worship. > > I know that they can produce all kinds of smart people who agree with them, > so I recognize that the answer may not be as simple as I suggest. Forgive > me of my indiscretion if my words give offense. > > George > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:31 PM > Subject: RE: [ZION] Natural Law > > > > > Another interesting reference to this question-- > > > > God is the author of law, not its creation or its servant. All light and > > all law emanate from him (see D&C 88:13). Indeed, "all kingdoms have a > > law given; and there are many kingdoms; for there is no space in the > > which there is no kingdom; and there is no kingdom in which there is no > > space, either a greater or a lesser kingdom. And unto every kingdom is > > given a law; and unto every law there are certain bounds also and > > conditions" (D&C 88:36-38). Of God the revelation states, "He > > comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all things > > are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and > > is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are > > by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever" (D&C 88:41). > > > > Joseph Smith asked, "Can we suppose that He [God] has a kingdom without > > laws? Or do we believe that it is composed of an innumerable company of > > beings who are entirely beyond all law? Consequently have need of > > nothing to govern or regulate them? Would not such ideas be a reproach > > to our Great Parent, and at variance with His glorious intelligence? > > Would it not be asserting that man had found out a secret beyond Deity? > > That he had learned that it was good to have laws, while God after > > existing from eternity and having power to create man, had not found out > > that it was proper to have laws for His government?" (Teachings of the > > Prophet Joseph Smith, 55). > > > > "God," Joseph Smith taught, "has made certain decrees which are fixed > > and immovable; for instance, God set the sun, the moon, and the stars in > > the heavens, and gave them their laws, conditions and bounds, which they > > cannot pass, except by His commandments; they all move in perfect > > harmony in their sphere and order, and are as lights, wonders and signs > > unto us. The sea also has its bounds which it cannot pass. God has set > > many signs on the earth, as well as in the heavens; for instance, the > > oak of the forest, the fruit of the tree, the herb of the field, all > > bear a sign that seed hath been planted there; for it is a decree of the > > Lord that every tree, plant, and herb bearing seed should bring forth of > > its kind, and cannot come forth after any other law or principle" > > (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 197-98). > > > > God is not a scientist. He does not harness law and then use it to bless > > and govern his creations. God is the author and source of all law. Were > > this not the case, the powers of evil could seek his overthrow through > > the discovery of unknown laws. We would live in endless peril. Our > > prayers would then be for God, not to him, and scientists rather than > > prophets would hold the keys of salvation. > > > > True it is that God was once a man obtaining his exalted status by > > obedience to the laws of his own eternal Father, but upon obtaining that > > station he becomes the source of light and law to all that he creates. > > Following this same pattern, the resurrected Christ said to the > > Nephites, "I am the law" (3 Ne. 15:9). > > > > > > (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Answers: Straightforward Answers to Tough > > Gospel Questions [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1998], 167.) > > > > --- > > Mij Ebaboc > > > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > // > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > / > > > > > > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / > -- Marc A. 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