[Yusuf Ali] > 034.029 They say: "When will THIS PROMISE (come to pass) if ye are telling the truth?" > 034.030 > Say: "The APPOINTMENT TO YOU IS FOR A DAY, which ye cannot put > back for an hour nor put forward."
Dear Khazeh, when I read passages like the above, they generally make me think of my individual death. If they referred mainly to world-historical eschatological events then it is only meaningful to a portion of people. Plenty of people will miss the coming of the Mahdi. Plenty of people will miss the second coming of Jesus. Plenty of people will miss the Beast, and the sun rising in the west, and the Dajjal. But everyone who was born will die. And that's certainly an appointment that everyone will make, and no one will speed up or slow down. Dear Gilberto I read the above reply with affection and respect and warm regards for your reply. But I am a bit puzzled re your logic. In other words I am wondering what exactly your point is. Is the fact that people miss the significance of an Event [be it the significance of their won soul or life] or the Great Significant Event of the Eschatology [ie the Coming of the Bab and Baha'u'llah] a point that would weaken the challenge of the Qur'anic verses? I am wondering... In one of your letters you mentioned kindly about your Christian background. Was not the Event of Christ's Coming a Judgement in a sense for His people? Just as His Return in the Reality of Baha'u'llah a Judgement for all? You also wrote dear Gilberto that I'm not a Shia and even if I was I think it is highly unusual to say that the dispensation of Muhammad actually started a couple of centuries after Muhammad passed. If the Babi dispensation started when the Bab made his declaration, it makes a lot more sense to say that the dispensation of Muhammad at least started during his lifetime (when he was born, when the Quran first started coming down, at the start of the Hejra, or maybe when the verse about "I have perfected for you your religion" came down). It seems bizarre to say the dispensation of Muhammad didn't start until the disappearance of the last imam. Peace Gilberto Dear Gilberto Lest there be a misunderstanding I did not say that the Dispensation of Muhammad [upon Him be all peace all salutation] started ! in 260 AH. I said or meant to say that the Alfa Sanah [the thousand year period mentioned in the Súrih 32: verse 5 and the Surah 22:47] started in the year 260 AH to take into account of all the elaboration exposition and elucidation that the Imams offered the Community despite some very horrendous persecutions and sufferings They underwent. All the denominations of Islam [the proverbial 72 firqah's] all of these branches agree on one hadith that the Prophet said I leave you with two weighty valuable Things [thaqalayn] **AlTirmidhí in his Sunan (v, 662, no. 3786) records the following tradition ....Jábir ibn `Abd Allah said: "I saw the Messenger of God - upon whom be God's peace and benedictions - in the course of his H.ajj pilgrimage on the day of `Arafah. The Prophet (S) was seated on his camel, alQas.wá', and was delivering a sermon. I heard him say: 'O PEOPLE, I AM LEAVING AMONG YOU THAT WHICH IF YOU HOLD ON TO YOU SHALL NEVER GO ASTRAY: THE BOOK OF GOD AND MY KINDRED, MY HOUSEHOLD." One does not need to be a Shi'ih to accept the vital significance of this Hadith which is also recorded in the Book of Certitude by Baha'u'llah ** Inasmuch as Muhammad hath confined His testimonies to His Book and to His Family, and whereas the latter hath passed away, there remaineth His Book only as His one testimony amongst the people. (Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, Page: 202)** In the following missive http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43028.html my dear Gilberto writes: **** In Islam, especially among Sufis if you think about concepts like the Perfect Man or the Qut.b, in a certain sense Muslims might even recognize new Manifestations. The only question is whether the Shari'ah has been abrogated or not.**** The Abrogation of the Shari'ah is really within the Will [Mashiyyat] of the Supreme Ordainer, exalted be His Names and Attributes. But there are clues/allusions/ intimations in the Holy Qur'an that this will be the case. Thus: **** 010.049 YUSUFALI: Say: "I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except as God willeth. TO EVERY PEOPLE IS A TERM APPOINTED: when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)." PICKTHAL: Say: I have no power to hurt or benefit myself, save that which God willeth. FOR EVERY NATION THERE IS AN APPOINTED TIME. When their time cometh, then they cannot put it off an hour, nor hasten (it). SHAKIR: Say: I do not control for myself any harm, or any benefit except what God pleases; every nation has a term; when their term comes, they shall not then remain behind for an hour, nor can they go before (their time).**** In relation to Shari'ah like everything else the Hand of God is unchained. 5:64 "God's hand is tied up." God's hand is fettered The hand of God is tied up!" Sura 5 condemns any attitude which would say the Hand of God would be tied up/fettered/ or chained What He ordains for us operates in His Own Domain 017.029 YUSUFALI: Make not thy hand tied to thy neck PICKTHAL: And let not thy hand be chained to thy neck SHAKIR: And do not make your hand to be shackled to your neck 055.029 YUSUFALI: Of Him seeks (its need) every creature in the heavens and on earth: EVERY DAY IN NEW SPLENDOUR DOTH HE (SHINE)! Also this great reference is really worth thinking about >From the BOOK BURHAAN Burhaan, (=al-Sayyid Hashim al-Bahrani, Kitab al-burhan fi tafsir al-Qur'an. 4 vols. Tehran, 1375/1955). It is a Book of Tafsir in 4 Volume. The Compiler finished compiling it and passed away in 1107 A.H. [153 years before the Dawn of the 12th Imam as the Holy Personage of the Primal Point. The Imam Ja'far as. S.aadiq [the 6th Imam] was asked : What is the meaning of the Holy Qur'an Verse in Sura Kahf [the Cave] Sura 18:109. Qul law kana albah.ru midadan likalimati rabbee lanafida albahru qabla an tanfada kalimatu rabbee walaw ji/na bimithlihi madadan Sura 18:109 YUSUFALI: Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid." PICKTHAL: Say: Though the sea became ink for the Words of my Lord, verily the sea would be used up before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even though We brought the like thereof to help. SHAKIR: Say: If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would surely be consumed before the words of my Lord are exhausted, though We were to bring the like of that (sea) to add. The Imam was asked: What is the meaning of this verse: The Infallible Imam replied: Burhan, (=al-Sayyid Hashim al-Bahrani, Kitab al-burhan fi tafsir al-Qur'an. 4 vols. Tehran, 1375/1955). Page 496 [akhbaraka anna Kalam Allah laysa lahuu aakhirun wa laa ghaayata wa laa yanqat.i'u abadan] In other words ***GOD HERE INFORMS THEE THAT THE WORD OF GOD HAS NO END, NO TERMINATION, AND IT SHALL NEVER CEASE AT ALL.*** This servant suggests this is a most precious find in such a wonderful Book from such a Holy Imam. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu